Originally Posted by divamum Kind of where my thoughts are heading, although this hands-on of the 6d is actually intriguing http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2012/09...ds-impressions

Intrigue? YES! Mee too!

But, I'm also intrigued by the New Sony SLT-a99, The GH3, and the Nikon D600... Heck make that with a BMCC on the side please! I love all of the recent news and for me it is all very intriguing.

I tell ya Diva, Want to make yourself sick, just rent a Nikon D700, or D800 and a lens.
As you know I've had both systems rockin for awhile, I sold my D700 this year (to ensure good money from it since I was in flux photographically), but kept my D90. Still use both Nikon and Canon lenses for my 5Dmk2. I've rented when I knew I needed another body as fill or B or backup. Other than that, I use what tools I have (depending) and roll on~

Originally Posted by MGRPhoto It's a technological breakthrough to fit those sensors into a smaller body is it not?

I don't believe so. There used to be this stuff called "film" that had the same sized sensor PLUS room for a spool on either side of the sensor. And they were in some cases even smaller than today's SLRs (Olympia's SLRs come to mind). :)

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Considering that the 5D2 release dates back 4 years the advancements of the 6D seem to be a bit underwhelming or not? A 5D2 can be had for less than the 6D nowadays ...

The biggest advancement of the 6D is its price. I don't understand why people are expecting "wow" from a bargain camera. After the price, you get the silent shutter mode, in-cam HDR, wifi, and gps for your $200 premium over a "new" 5D2. And who knows, maybe that center AF point is really really good. Maybe it's so good that giving the camera 9 of them would cut too close to the 5D3. We shall see.

Perhaps the 6D is mostly a 5D 1 reboot.

Originally Posted by insanefred Perhaps the 6D is mostly a 5D 1 reboot.

5D1 = 12.7mp. 6D = 20.2mp.

I think Canon made this camera to appeal to a very specific group of folks. Not my cup of tea, certainly not at that price. I'd rather have a 5DC for $700 if I wanted a FF camera.

Originally Posted by jmphotocraft The biggest advancement of the 6D is its price. I don't understand why people are expecting "wow" from a bargain camera. After the price, you get the silent shutter mode, in-cam HDR, wifi, and gps for your $200 premium over a "new" 5D2. And who knows, maybe that center AF point is really really good. Maybe it's so good that giving the camera 9 of them would cut too close to the 5D3. We shall see.

If they put in a 7D AF it would be wow, but 4 years after the 5D2 a camera that is about equal in specs
(some are better, some are lesser) and costs about the same ... I think Canon could've done better.

Originally Posted by Manfr3d If they put in a 7D AF it would be wow, but 4 years after the 5D2 a camera that is about equal in specs (some are better, some are lesser) and costs about the same ... I think Canon could've done better.

It retails for $600 less than the 5D2 did for most of its life, and it has some new features and a new sensor. That's better than what Leica did with the M9 -> M-E. Let's see what that new sensor does, eh? If they had just put the 21mp 5D2 sensor in it, that would seem cheap of them.

If it had the 7D AF, that would cut too close to the 5D3. I agree the price isn't quite right. For $2099 it should have a 9 cross-type point AF. As-is it should retail for $1899. Nobody would be complaining then. Maybe when it hits the stores the price will be adjusted. I read it is already 20,000 Yen ($255) less than the D600 in Japan.

I do think the "unknown quantities" of this camera mean we have to wait and see the reviews once it's on the streets and people are using it. Initial impression, however, is that this is sort of a FF Rebel - it does the job (and probably quite capably), but doesn't have the niceties that those shooting pro-am/pro are used to having in a body.

On paper, I'm scratching my head, but even Canon's "worst" slr's have had their merits, so I'm willing to wait and see what this thing can actually do before completely writing it off. I'm also intrigued to see if the "lower pixel density = better high ISO performance" theory holds true..... If so, this thing should improve on the 5dn's ;)

Originally Posted by divamum I'm also intrigued to see if the "lower pixel density = better high ISO performance" theory holds true..... If so, this thing should improve on the 5dn's ;)

I really doubt 2 mp is going to make a difference between the 6D and 5D3. Any difference between the 6D and 5D2 should be due to generational advancements, not mp. According to DxO (), the D4 and D600 beat the D800 for noise, but just barely.

Originally Posted by jmphotocraft I really doubt 2 mp is going to make a difference between the 6D and 5D3. Any difference between the 6D and 5D2 should be due to generational advancements, not mp. According to DxO (), the D4 and D600 beat the D800 for noise, but just barely.

That was intended as tongue-in-cheek - remember when the 7d bumped up from 15mp and pundits said the world was going to end in a deluge of noise? ;)

Honestly, I'm willing to wait and see since the price point would definitely be attractive to me; if it could be a stepping-stone camera to a 5d3 that got me into FF pro tem that would be nice. That said, business seems to be growing right now, and it may be that I'll actually have enough to just add a 5d3 after the new year; we'll see....

Originally Posted by jmphotocraft It retails for $600 less than the 5D2 did for most of its life, and it has some new features and a new sensor. That's better than what Leica did with the M9 -> M-E. Let's see what that new sensor does, eh? If they had just put the 21mp 5D2 sensor in it, that would seem cheap of them. If it had the 7D AF, that would cut too close to the 5D3. I agree the price isn't quite right. For $2099 it should have a 9 cross-type point AF. As-is it should retail for $1899. Nobody would be complaining then. Maybe when it hits the stores the price will be adjusted. I read it is already 20,000 Yen ($255) less than the D600 in Japan.

I agree, but we are paying the prices of today so there is no practical point in comparing the price of
a 6D to a 5D2 from 4 years ago (other than discussing the advancements of camera production and
marketing), what matters to buyers now is how the price (and features) compare today.

It will be interesting to see how soon the street price drops below the MRSP and how it gains
popularity among those upgrading to full frame for the first time.

I'm not usually a big Rockwell fan, but he has a little more info than others are publishing (as well as some side-by-side charts with the other FF cameras in the lineup, which is in teresting). I will say the more I read about this unit, the more interesting it becomes. It really will entirely depend on whether or not those AF points are accurate and useable whether or not it's something I'd consider a reasonable choice (or a reasonable choice until I can afford a 5d3 )

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/6d.htm

ETA: I note that he's writing as though he has one in hand.... but have review copies even been released yet? This is the first publication I've seen that makes it sound like they actually *have* a unit.

Originally Posted by divamum I'm not usually a big Rockwell fan, but he has a little more info than others are publishing (as well as some side-by-side charts with the other FF cameras in the lineup, which is in teresting). I will say the more I read about this unit, the more interesting it becomes. It really will entirely depend on whether or not those AF points are accurate and useable whether or not it's something I'd consider a reasonable choice (or a reasonable choice until I can afford a 5d3 ) http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/6d.htm ETA: I note that he's writing as though he has one in hand.... but have review copies even been released yet? This is the first publication I've seen that makes it sound like they actually *have* a unit.

No, I don't think that Ken Rockwell has seen a 6D in person yet.

He mentions the 6D having a PC flash connector, but I do not believe that is accurate.

Originally Posted by Manfr3d I agree, but we are paying the prices of today so there is no practical point in comparing the price of a 6D to a 5D2 from 4 years ago (other than discussing the advancements of camera production and marketing), what matters to buyers now is how the price (and features) compare today.

True, but I believe silent shutter and in-cam HDR are easily worth the $200 premium over a "new" 5D2. The new sensor probably offers some value too. I think if you have Canon lenses and you want your first FF camera, the 6D is the clear choice over the 5D2. However if you already have a 5D2, it's probably not worth upgrading.

That said, I still think the 6D should be $1899, but I guess Canon is stacking their 1 big honkin -3EV center cross-type AF point up against Nikon's 9 cross-types as equivalent.

I didn't think the 6D had a pc sync either however on the canon websight it does list it as "provided" what ever that means.

Originally Posted by RevLinePhoto I didn't think the 6D had a pc sync either however on the canon websight it does list it as "provided" what ever that means.

I have requested a clarification from Canon USA, Marketing. It could be a while before I get a response because I think much of the Marketing Department are away just now.

Edit: Wow, I just got the response (that was quick).

There is no PC Connector on the Canon 6D. You should see a change to the specifications as soon as the web site production team deletes the erroneous description.

Hmm well I guess if one is needed you can always get a hot shoe converter.

Originally Posted by RevLinePhoto Hmm well I guess if one is needed you can always get a hot shoe converter.

Yes, that's what I would do and what I would recommend for some applications.

http://flashzebra.com/products/0268/index.shtml

The truth is that there are a lot of lighting solutions for a hot shoe only capable camera, partly to satisfy the growing number of entry level camera bodies out there, that both Nikon and now Canon are now content to omit the PC connector on their entry level FF bodies.