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Originally Posted by Alans Grin One word - "stunning" Alan.

Thanks Alan.

WOA! iwear - I'm uterly SPEECHLESS! Absolutely BREATHTAKING!

Really, very nice shoots here!!
Just one small thing; this theme is for white and black colours, natural FROM the camera without converting / transforming to a black and white or grey palette... like the keys of a piano.

ALXCAR

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Originally Posted by ALXCAR Really, very nice shoots here!! Just one small thing; this theme is for white and black colours, natural FROM the camera without converting / transforming to a black and white or grey palette... like the keys of a piano. ALXCAR

Just curious ALX - that you should post such a reminder... seems to me that all the (FABULOUS!) entries so far indeed are b/w FROM the camera, no?

There's one that I would have questioned myself but can't figure out how to ask the question.

Originally Posted by TravelnLass Just curious ALX - that you should post such a reminder... seems to me that all the (FABULOUS!) entries so far indeed are b/w FROM the camera, no?

You and GrandmaR have questioned how one might tell under this strange but interesting challenge. Without getting too technical, it is possible to copy any photo posted here into photoshop and check all the pixels (dots) to see if they are totally grey, or shades of - ie not just "looks grey", but absolutely absent mathematically devoid of any colour at all! In the new digital world that means ABSOLUTELY equal quantities of Red, Green and Blue - and that is very rare in the real world.

Nearly all digital photos are processed to some extent either in the camera (if a jpeg shoot) or post processed - for example white balance compensation to compensate for the colour of the ambient lighting - not unusual. However, in any event, regardless what is done in camera or post process, without a deliberate converting to BW it is unlikely you will end up with a very cold mathematically NO colour or tint at all, ie equal Red, Green and Blue (to make grey) values in every dot.

I'm not making a call on the lovely piano shot (I really like it) but I own a piano and three electric keyboards and even in the best of circumstances shooting them I have never been able to absolutely remove the colour of the ambient light (my walls are yellow, the sky is blue) or the "Ivory" completely to give a ABSOLUTELY greyscale Black through to White image. It is also unusual for photoshop to refuse to convert an image to B&W because it already coldly mathematically is.

Not being judgemental, just being technical for a mo - the Piano shot is great and I'm a sucker for quality music shots and I really like this one so don't really care! Just a misunderstanding I suspect.

Alan.

Originally Posted by Alans Grin You and GrandmaR have questioned how one might tell under this strange but interesting challenge. Without getting too technical... ...In the new digital world that means ABSOLUTELY equal quantities of Red, Green and Blue - and that is very rare in the real world. Alan.

Thanks for the techno lesson Alan. Of course it's easy-peasy to pull down the saturation to zip in your graphics software, but it never occurred to me that the result in pure shades of gray would be EQUAL parts RGB. Well duh!

I'm also wondering... isn't it possible with some digital cameras via some setting to... shoot originals in b/w?

But again, for an (albeit most friendly) challenge like this, that would be a no-no, and the proof would be... in the RW, there's always at least a smidge of color from ambient light, and that would topple a perfectly equal RGB

Interesting. Learn sumptin' new each and every day... ;)

A perfect place for a challenge like this

Shadows during the eclipse were all shaped like crescent moons. Can't explain the shadowy figure on the left but it was there in 3 other shots

Hi all,
As Alan is giving us a very interesting explanation on the techie side. thanks Alan for that.
The concept is easy but very hard to achieve. the pictures that you would present to here, have to be in FULL colour, but the content of the frame, have to give you the impression that is black and white.
My three pictures that I load as an example, are not the best for this theme, and have to be treated as example only.
Is, your ability to SEE and CAPTURE something that is in nature is B/W

ALCAR

I did think the piano looked a little 'dead' but that wasn't the one that I had mentally questioned. There was some color in that one, but not exactly how I would have expected it to look. The way it is, is very effective and it is a wonderful photo, but I wondered.

Originally Posted by grandmaR I did think the piano looked a little 'dead' but that wasn't the one that I had mentally questioned. There was some color in that one, but not exactly how I would have expected it to look. The way it is, is very effective and it is a wonderful photo, but I wondered.

grandmaR, that is precisely why I am giving second chances to people to think...
It is easy to see, using software, when a picture has been manipulated to "appear" B/W

Originally Posted by WAB Shadows during the eclipse were all shaped like crescent moons. Can't explain the shadowy figure on the left but it was there in 3 other shots

If you hadn't said it was a garage door, I could imagine it as a large wooden monastery door, in which case the shadow would have to be a hooded monk!

Facinating and very spooky!

Alan.

Do Not bug me




can't we all just get along



smell the flower




I understand that the first shot is not by the rule you posted after my post .I did remove the yellow in the flower ,bug is as shot . I did not read in your first posting of the challenge that it was to be out of camera . That said I know the first shot is left up to point out that it is a rule breaker and in this challenge a no no.

second shot by the rules

Originally Posted by ALXCAR grandmaR, that is precisely why I am giving second chances to people to think... It is easy to see, using software, when a picture has been manipulated to "appear" B/W

It may be easy for you, but I don't know that I could do it.

I didn't think the image had to be SOOC - just an originally color photo which had not been black and white-ized. Only one of my photos was originally digital, so I guess you can tell with that one, but I'm not sure about the others two.

Originally Posted by jwear Do Not bug me can't we all just get along I understand that the first shot is not by the rule you posted after my post .I did remove the yellow in the flower ,bug is as shot . I did not read in your first posting of the challenge that it was to be out of camera . That said I know the first shot is left up to point out that it is a rule breaker and in this challenge a no no. second shot by the rules

Absolutely!
No worries, it is a good shoot but no for this mini-challenge. The second one... flying colours. that is exactly what this challenge is about.

ALXCAR

Originally Posted by Alans Grin Attachment 36937 If you hadn't said it was a garage door, I could imagine it as a large wooden monastery door, in which case the shadow would have to be a hooded monk! Facinating and very spooky! Alan.

Alan, you just have read my mind...

ALXCAR

Originally Posted by grandmaR It may be easy for you, but I don't know that I could do it. I didn't think the image had to be SOOC - just an originally color photo which had not been black and white-ized. Only one of my photos was originally digital, so I guess you can tell with that one, but I'm not sure about the others two.

Just a few examples...

All of them are in FULL colour...
Is easy to SEE a B/W picture trough your camera . For sure you have seen hundreds of them but you didn't realized.
The difficult bit is actually taken it!

Studio lights, or strobes, something white and something black.

IF you get the picture right at the camera will be better but you can always help using software.
when I was saying about SOOC was for you guys to understand that has to be in full colour and not converted to B/W. The "enhancing", is acceptable, the "not be an honest picture", is not.

I hope it helps

ALXCAR