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Old May-07-2005, 08:07 AM
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History of Smilies... O-:]
So, do we really need to use the graphic smilies provided with the board SW? (note the dates...)

Also, I have no way of confirming or denying the accurcy of this. I did a search and found nothing to debunk any of this. Please feel free to believe what you want...
Original Bboard Thread in which :-) was proposed
Here is the original message posted by Scott Fahlman on 19 September, 1982:


19-Sep-82 11:44 Scott E Fahlman :-)
From: Scott E Fahlman <Fahlman at Cmu-20c>

I propose that the following character sequence for joke markers:


Read it sideways. Actually, it is probably more economical to mark
things that are NOT jokes, given current trends. For this, use



The entire thread is reproduced below. We didn’t have formal newsgroup threads in those days, but these are all the messages that mention the need for a joke marker or that use the :-) symbol.

This was retrieved from the spice vax oct-82 backup tape by Jeff Baird on September 10, 2002. The period covered is 16 September 1982 through 21 October 1982.

Credits: Here is the account by Mike Jones describing how this ancient post was retrieved. It’s an impressive piece of digital archeology, with many contributors. I am grateful to Mike, to Jeff Baird, and to all the others who played a role in this effort. It is great that we can view this bit of Internet history once again.

Many people were involved in this computing archaeology success story. I (Mike Jones) kicked off the effort in February 2002 by looking through some old bboard program (Bags) sources, figuring out the filename that the post would likely be found under (/usr/cmu/lib/bb/general.bb), and asking Howard Wactlar, the former CMU SCS facilities director, whether the file could still be restored. Scott Fahlman provided data narrowing the probable span of time during which the post was made. Howard and Bob Cosgrove, the current director, determined that backup tapes from that period (1981-1983) still existed and asked Jeff Baird of the facilities staff to try to find and restore the post. Dave Livingston of facilities located a working 9- track tape drive and a machine to use it on. Kirk Berthold and Michael Riley in CS operations managed retrieving tapes from off-site archival storage. Grad student Dan Pelleg's FreeBSD machine was used to read the 4.1BSD dump format tapes using a compatibility mode in the restore program. (Later in the effort a NetBSD machine was used to do the same thing.) Dale Moore looked for the post on Tops-20 backup tapes from CMU-20C. But by all accounts, Jeff Baird should get most of the credit for doing the hard work of locating and retrieving the data. He kept asking for more tapes, reading those that could still be read, narrowing the date range, and sticking with it until the post was found. Thanks all for your efforts to restore this part of computing history, and especially, thanks Jeff!


Note: There apparently were a few posts prior to 16 September (not on the tape that was retrieved) that posed various physics questions about what would happen to various objects in an elevator if you cut the cable. Given the quality of the elevators in Wean Hall (then and now), this was more than idle speculation.

Apparently someone had posed the problem of what would happen to a helium balloon in free-fall, someone else had asked about pigeons flying around in the falling elevator, and someone had then asked what would happen if the birds were breathing the helium…


16-Sep-82 11:51 James Wright at CMU-780D Related question
Of equal interest is how the birds cheeping will
sound after they have inhaled the Helium.

16-Sep-82 12:09 Neil Swartz at CMU-750R Pigeon type question
This question does not involve pigeons, but is similar:
There is a lit candle in an elevator mounted on a bracket attached to
the middle of one wall (say, 2" from the wall). A drop of mercury
is on the floor. The cable snaps and the elevator falls.
What happens to the candle and the mercury?

16-Sep-82 17:21 Howard Gayle at CMU-780G WARNING!
Because of a recent physics experiment, the leftmost elevator has been
contaminated with mercury. There is also some slight fire damage.
Decontamination should be complete by 08:00 Friday.

16-Sep-82 21:34 Rudy Nedved at CMU-10A Re: WARNING!!
The previous bboard message about mercury is related to the comment
by Neil Swartz about Physics experiments. It is not an actual

Last year parts of Doherty Hall were closed off because of spilled
mercury. My high school closed down a lab because of a dropped bottle
of mercury.

My apology for spoiling the joke but people were upset and yelling
fire in a crowded theatre is bad news....so are jokes on day old


17-Sep-82 10:35 Neil Swartz at CMU-750R Answer to elevator question
The answer is that the candle goes out due to lack of oxygen. (There are no
longer any convection currents to keep feeding it) The mercury forms into
an ellipsoid due to surface tension. In balling up it exerts a force on the
floor which sends it towards the ceiling. It will bounce back and forth
between ceiling and floor until the elevator hits the ground. All of this
neglects the friction on the guide rails, vibrations, etc.

Any resemblance of this problem to any real situation is
purely coincidence, or in the mind of an operations staff person.

17-Sep-82 10:58 Neil Swartz at CMU-750R Elevator posts
Apparently there has been some confusion about elevators and such. After
talking to Rudy, I have discovered that there is no mercury spill in any of
the Wean hall elevators. Many people seem to have taken the notice about
the physics department seriously.

Maybe we should adopt a convention of putting a star (*) in the subject
field of any notice which is to be taken as a joke.


17-Sep-82 13:04 Scott Fahlman at CMU-10A Elevators (*)
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the elevator...

Unfortunately, the center elevator now contains what seems to be the
remains of 40,000 two-pound pigeons in an advanced state of
decomposition and the right elevator contains a bear of indeterminate
color. The left elevator appears to be safe, but when you stand in it
for too long, your voice gets squeaky and you start running into the
walls, causing the elevator to rise.

Despite the * in the header of this message, this is not a joke and
should be taken quite literallly. Do not panic -- taking the stairs is
good for you.


17-Sep-82 14:43 Thomas Rodeheffer at CMU-10A Candles in Zero-G
I seem to recall hearing about an experiment with burning candles in
zero-G (skylab?) in which the result was that the candle did NOT go
out, even though, as has been noted, you don't get convection
currents without gravity. According to what I recall, a candle
burning in zero-G doesn't have a real flame, just a globular glowing
area around the wick. Supposedly the explanation was that oxygen
diffuses towards the wick (and carbon dioxide and water vapor diffuse
away) fast enough to keep combustion going. Does anybody remember
anything more about this?


17-Sep-82 14:59 Joseph Ginder at CMU-10A (*%)

I believe that the joke character should be % rather than *.


17-Sep-82 15:15 Anthony Stentz at CMU-780G (*%)
How about using * for good jokes and % for bad jokes?
We could even use *% for jokes that are so bad,
they're funny.


17-Sep-82 17:40 Keith Wright at CMU-10A *%&#$ Jokes!
No, no, no! Surely everyone will agree that "&" is the funniest
character on the keyboard. It looks funny (like a jolly fat man
in convulsions of laughter). It sounds funny (say it loud and
fast three times). I just know if I could get my nose into the
vacuum of the CRT it would even smell funny!


17-Sep-82 17:42 Leonard Hamey at CMU-10A {#} (previously *)
A detailed (i.e. > 1 minute) study of the aesthetic and pictographic
effects of the characters available in the ASCII set has led to
the following suggestion:

I think that the joke character should be the sequence {#}
because it looks like two lips with teeth showing between them.
This is the expected result if someone actually laughs their head off.
An obvious abbreviation of this sequence would be the hash character
itself (which can also be read as the sharp character and suggests
a quality which may be lacking in those too obtuse to appreciate
the joke.)


17-Sep-82 18:52 Jim Crowley at CMU-10A BB Jokes
BB jokes are fine and should not require a marker.
But jokes should not be malicious, obscene, or such that they
appear to resemble real warnings to all but a few.
Last nights elevator hoax was a borderline case of this last


18-Sep-82 20:40 Guy Steele at CMU-10A ! Joke markers again
I hope everyone realized that my previous remark about non-use
of joke markers was a joke, and was flagged as such by the
absence of a marker. This message is not a joke, as indicated
by the exclamation point.


19-Sep-82 11:44 Scott E Fahlman :-)
From: Scott E Fahlman <Fahlman at Cmu-20c>

I propose that the following character sequence for joke markers:


Read it sideways. Actually, it is probably more economical to mark
things that are NOT jokes, given current trends. For this, use


19-Sep-82 18:56 Jeff Shrager at CMU-10A 38521,03,9(6),9(9),1(5),0
Just signifying that a message is a joke is certainly not sufficient.
One can develop a taxonomy of bboard message types along several different
dimensions. Also, where a continuum is preferable to a taxonomy (such as
where humor value is at issue) one can similarly use a scale to indicate
where along that scale this message lies. Suppose that all dimensions are
refered to by a ten point scale (we'll use all integers here although one
can certainly imagine reals in the case of fine grain continuous scales).
Some dimensions will be bitwise encoded as well.
Here is a sample of a coding scheme:

COMMUNITY: (this is a binary scale with a bit position for
each department totalling about 32 bits)
TOPIC: (two digits 00-99)
(00) Political, (01) Scientific, (02) Computer, (03) Meta, etc
FLAME VALUE: (continuous 0.0-10.0)
HUMOR VALUE: (0.0-10.0)
BORDOM VALUE: (0.0-10.0)
INFORMATIONAL CONTENT: (-10.0 (for queries) to 10.0 (for their answers))

Note that some of these scales are purely according to the opinion
of the author. Thus, we provide, also, a confidence scale: to go along
with each continuous scale (to be enclosed in parens after the value).


20-Sep-82 08:34 Jaime Carbonell at CMU-10A & # % :-) ...
To resolve ambiguity, how about a JOKE BB? We can hook up some of that
highly-touted write-only memory just for this purpose. While I'm at it,
how about a flame BB using the latest cryogenic junction memory (to cool
down the contents of the memory, of course).


20-Sep-82 16:23 Dave Touretzky at CMU-10A (-: bboard software change
As of October 1st, the General bboard will be renamed the Jokes bboard.
Please update your SWITCH.INI file. In the event of a serious notice,
we will post it under the name "Sharon Burks". When the bboard contains
messages whose total bogosity score exceeds 5000 microLenats, the file
will be zeroed so novice bboard players can have a chance to score.


20-Sep-82 17:56 15-1xx Labs at CMU-750Y jokes \__/
We on the gandalf vax have our own code word for a joke. The above symbol
is universally known as a smile.

Also, perhaps Jeff could include in his scale a "length to humor ratio",
as we seem to notice that the relation between some post's lengths are
inversely proportional to their length.

Not Sharon Burks,
'ob and 'im

20-Sep-82 22:33 James Driscoll at CMU-10A IC After Dark
The first meeting of the (unofficial) IC mini-course ``Pittsburgh After
Dark'' will be this Thursday at 9:00 PM in the CS lounge. The first
lecture will be ``Shadyside Bars: Taxonomy, Characteristics, and
Examples.'' Lab follows lecture. Participants should bring proof of
age. New students are encouraged to attend.

|-: (This is not a joke)


21-Sep-82 14:27 Wilson Harvey at CMU-IUS (-: Dramatic bb posts :-)
could be flagged with the above notation. Things like ...

"I was a Teen-age Hacker"


"I won't write that subroutine for you. I won't because every part of
me wants to."

Seriously, I have found someone's pen in the CS Supply Room. Send me
mail to get it back.

22-Sep-82 12:43 Robert Thibadeau at CMU-10A Pittsburgh Zoo Options
The zoo is a worthwhile place to visit, but in my three years
in Pittsburgh I have watched it deteriorate for lack of funds.
Fortunately they have this wonderful 'adopt an animal' program.
The adoption can be a day or month. Orangutanns eat light at
$.75 a day or $22.50 a month, and for $15 a day or $450 a month
you get yourself an entire elephant. Double that and you can
probably have his name changed to Clyde. Triple it and I bet
they will let you dye him pink. Visitation rights come with any
adoption. The flyer is on my office door -- 5321.


22-Sep-82 14:14 John Schlag at CMU-750R :-) AI Elephant (-:
I think all the members of the CMU AI community should pitch together
to adopt an elephant at the Zoo. Of course, Thibadeau's suggestion of
tripling the price should be taken.

22-Sep-82 21:26 Masaru Tomita at CMU-10A (:-O) missing picture
The picture of me on the picture board in the CS lounge is missing.
One of the members of Tommy's fan club must have taken it.
Please note that I have a wife.


22-Sep-82 21:31 James Muller at CMU-750Y ?
I propose that the above character be placed in the subject field of all
posts which ask questions.


22-Sep-82 23:29 Ravinder Chandhok :-( (-:
From: Ravinder Chandhok at CMU-750Y
Perhaps what we really need is a 'bb notation' bboard for such posts
that relate to notation and signals.

23-Sep-82 10:40 Stephen Hancock Jokes
From: Stephen Hancock <SFH at CMU-20C>
With all of this talk about jokes on the BBoard, perhaps we should create a
jokes BBoard. This would remove any doubt about whether or not the message
is a joke or not. Additionally this would spare us from being forced to
page through many jokes when we don't have the time to spare. It would
also be nice to be able to decide to read through a number of hopefully
good or alteast original jokes on demand.

P.S. My reference to us/we, was how I feel about the topic. However, I
believe many other people feel the same way.

03-Oct-82 19:36 Scott Fahlman at CMU-10A Rumor of the Week :-)
The person singing the theme at the start of each Star Trek episode is
in fact Slim Whitman.

Special bonus rumor: Slim Whitman has just been hired by Tartan Labs.


03-Oct-82 21:47 Wilson Harvey at CMU-IUS For anyone interested ...
I have a picture of ET holding a chainsaw in .press file format. The file
exists in /usr/wah/public/etchainsaw.press on the IUS.

03-Oct-82 23:43 Guy Jacobson at CMU-780G Holding a chainsaw?? :-)
Does anyone have a picture of R2D2 holding a seed auger in TeX format?
Or how about a rendering of Yoda with a lathe for use with nroff?
Any pointers to digitized images of short, cute aliens holding power
tools would be greatly appreciated.


Not long after this, we see that the idea had spread outside of CMU. This message also shows how quick people were to create lists of new smileys. I wonder what ever became of Jim Morris…

Mail-from: Arpanet host CMU-10A rcvd at 10-NOV-82 0826-PST
Date: 10 November 1982 1126-EST (Wednesday)
From: James.Morris at CMU-10A
To: csl^ at PARC-MAXC, isl^ at PARC-MAXC, junk^ at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Communications Breakthrough
Message-Id: <10Nov82 112614 JM90@CMU-10A>

Because you can't see the person who is sending you electronic
mail you are sometimes uncertain whether they are serious or
joking. Recently, Scott Fahlman at CMU devised a scheme for
annotating one's messages to overcome this problem. If you turn
your head sideways to look at the three characters :-) they look
sort of like a smiling face. Thus, if someone sends you a
message that says "Have you stopped beating your wife?:-)" you
know they are joking. If they say "I need to talk to you :-(",
be prepared for trouble.

Since Scott's original proposal, many further symbols have been
proposed here:

(:-) for messages dealing with bicycle helmets
@= for messages dealing with nuclear war
<:-) for dumb questions
oo for somebody's head-lights are on messages
o>-<|= for messages of interest to women
~= a candle, to annotate flaming messages

So you see, bit-map displays are really quite unnecessary :->
Old May-07-2005, 09:48 AM
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I always used either


but 8^)

works too.

I wear glasses.

Old May-07-2005, 10:25 AM
Mitch is offline Mitch
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Almost ever BBS had a list of smilies that could be downloaded. 8*p

BBS = the way we used to tie up the phone line and waste time on the computer before www. 8*)

Which, as far as I know, is where the tagline came from. Some here on dgrin still use them.

Taglines like:
The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity


[font=&quot]Time flies like the wind – fruit flies like the bananas

Lest we forget: lol, roflmao, imho.

You could download files. Take three for every two you upload. All this with a 9600 baud modem...those were the days. 8*)

Sorry about the trip down memory lane.

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...are the logo of this company. Worth a look through their site for some fun.

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Old May-07-2005, 09:30 PM
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Eek very, very scrolly!!!
Yea... I remember BBS's and tag lines. Been saving them since the middle 80's. Let's see what the limit is on words in a post here. (ahhhh... 20k characters in a post...) Oh, and some of these are quite dated...

(o o)

A Listing of TAG Lines Collected Over Time...
^ ^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^

The primary function of the design engineer is to make things difficult for the fabricator and impossible for the serviceman.

Do you think a man who knows his own value grants anyone the right to criticize even his most trivial qualities?
-- Arnold Schoenberg

== Violin, n. (mus.): A horse's tail scraping cat entrails.

******** (IN STEREO WHERE AVAILABLE) ********
******** (IN STEREO WHERE AVAILABLE) ********

It's a dog-eat-dog world and I'm wearing MilkBone shorts... N GREEN
I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
A true friend walks in when everyone else leaves...
"I shot the SysOp...But I meant to shoot the Moderator...."

Sweer's Impossibility Theorem:
Nothing can be both completely general
and internally consistent at the same time.

Segal's Law:
A man with a watch knows what time it is.
A man with two watches is never sure.

"Sir? Am I to understand that you people sell dead, fried BIRDS here?"
PENGUIN OPUS, at Kentucky Fried Chicken (Bloom County)

Krueger's Observation:
A taxpayer is someone who does not have to take a civil service exam in order to work for the government.

The best way to cheer yourself up is to try to cheer someboby else up.
Mark Twain

"It usually takes more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu speech."
Mark Twain

Having your book turned into a movie is like seeing your oxen turned into bouillon cubes.
John LeCarre

"There's a sucker born every minute."

"You cannot fly like an eagle with the wings of a wren."

"Damn the torpedoes - full speed ahead!"

"Can you imagine the silence if everyone said only what he knows?"

In some parts of the world, people still pray in the streets. In the United States they're called pedestrians.
Gloria Pitzer

Middle age is when you are faced with two temptations, and you choose the one that will get you home by 9 o'clock.
Ronald Reagan

"If you put your supper dish to your ear you can hear the sounds of a restaurant"

If an experiment works, something has gone wrong.
Finagle's First Law:

Whenever a system becomes completely defined, some damn fool discovers something which either abolishes the system or expands it beyond recognition.

If U don't need a clean shirt to go to work.. you might be a redneck.

"No opium-smoking in the elevators."
WILSON MIZNER, sign in hotel he managed

"Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains."

An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.

First Law of Advice:
The correct advice is to give the advice that is desired.

Law of Communications:
The result of improved and enlarged communications is a vastly increased area of misunderstanding.

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Windows Error #009: Windows loading. Come back tomorrow.
Windows Error #00A: Promotional literature overflow. Mailbox full.
Windows Error #999: Unable to exit windows. Try the door.
Windows Error #00F: Unexplained error. Tell us how it happened!!
Windows Error #00F: Unexplained error. Please tell us how it happened
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Windows Error #018: Unrecoverable error. System destroyed.
Windows Error #1001: Unrecoverable error. Destruction in 10..9..8..
Windows Error #016: Door locked. Try control-alt-delete.
Windows Error #017: Window Jammed. Try control-alt-delete.
Windows Error #018: Window Jammed. Try alt-shift-F4.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Windows Error #00D: Window closed. Do not look out.
Windows Error 0001: RAM address without valid Zip Code.
Windows Error 00: Horrible bug encounterd. God knows what happened.
Windows Error 763 : Hard disk not ready, close door.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Windows Error: Press F13 to continue. (Made You Look!)
Windows Error 9FFF: Program too small to fit into memory.
Windows Error 005: Multitasking attempted. System confused.
Windows Error 007: System price error. Inadequate money spent.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Windows Error 1238: Modem not error correcting but error connecting
Windows Error k001: No Keyboard: Press F1 to Continue.
Windows Error c001: CPU not found. Connect to your brain?
Windows Error #01C: Uncertainty error. Uncertainty may be inadequate.
Windows USER ERROR: Please replace user and hit enter to continue.
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... Child rearing myth #1: Labor ends when the baby is born.

Patience is a virtue that carries a lot of Wait!

If I've told you once, I've told you a million times, don't exagerate!

If I want your opinion, I'll ask you to fill out the necessary forms.

I've got auh uh uh, oh yeah: a photographic Memory!

The cat crept into the crypt, crapped, and crept out again.

Replace your sex drive with a disk drive, and you become a SysOp!

WARNING! Murphy's Law strictly enforced ahead.

Whenever I feel like exercise, I lie down until the feeling passes.

Sorry, I don't date outside my species

Cap'n! The twit shields canno' take much more o' this!

An idealist is one who, on noticing that roses smell better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.

When talking nonsense try not to be serious.

I am Ohm of Borg. Resistance is E/I...

The light at end of the tunnel is... A TRAIN!

There are three things I have always loved and never understood: Art, music, and women.

My computer has EMS... Won't you help?

The Definition of an Upgrade: Take old bugs out, put new ones in.

As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools.

Rotissere: A Ferris wheel for chickens.

Shell to DOS... Come in DOS, do you copy? Shell to DOS...

Computers can never replace human stupidity.

When you do a good deed, get a receipt, in case heaven is like the IRS.

The FBI called, they want to come play some cool pirated games.

Photons have mass? I didn't know they were Catholic!

ERROR LPT1 not found - use backup - Paper and Pencil

Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for both good and evil.

You are a Redneck if you have ever vacationed in a rest area.

I don't have a license to kill. I have a learner's permit.

Talking to her about computer hardware, I make my mother board.

Windows is NOT a virus. Viruses do something.

Old May-07-2005, 09:32 PM
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Oh, and I prob have another 3-5 posts this long if anyone want to read them. Let me know if it's OK to post them here...
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