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crayiiicrayiii Registered Users Posts: 23 Big grins
edited July 2, 2005 in SmugMug Support
I just uploaded over 300 wedding pictures to my site for the family to purchase http://raymond.smugmug.com/gallery/621157

This is the first time I have used smugmug for this and I just read that they want everything is sRGB. Since I have my cameras set up for aRGB, all of the pictures are in this space.

Is this going to cause a problem? Won't smugmug just convert before printing? Do I need to convert all 300 photo's to sRGB and reupload them?

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    grannyrobingrannyrobin Registered Users Posts: 134 Major grins
    edited July 1, 2005
    crayiii wrote:
    I just uploaded over 300 wedding pictures to my site for the family to purchase http://raymond.smugmug.com/gallery/621157

    This is the first time I have used smugmug for this and I just read that they want everything is sRGB. Since I have my cameras set up for aRGB, all of the pictures are in this space.

    Is this going to cause a problem? Won't smugmug just convert before printing? Do I need to convert all 300 photo's to sRGB and reupload them?
    There's a dgrin thread in which this is discussed. Baldy announced that smugmug is planning to convert files to sRGB; they don't now, however. He didn't know when the conversion would be implemented. http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=11505&page=5&pp=10

    He also provided a link to a help section explaining the issue. http://www.smugmug.com/help/srgb-versus-adobe-rgb-1998

    My reading of that help section is that your photos will look washed out and pixellated unless you convert them. I hate to type this so much that I'm thinking of not posting this message!
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    crayiiicrayiii Registered Users Posts: 23 Big grins
    edited July 1, 2005
    Yeah, that's too bad. I guess I'll have to set up a script to convert all of the files to sRGB and........upload them again......
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    grannyrobingrannyrobin Registered Users Posts: 134 Major grins
    edited July 1, 2005
    crayiii wrote:
    Yeah, that's too bad. I guess I'll have to set up a script to convert all of the files to sRGB and........upload them again......
    I'm afraid that help section does say... "There is no way around this problem other than to convert your files to sRGB."

    Once you get them done, though, you may be very pleased indeed with how great they look. I certainly hope so!
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    Mike LaneMike Lane Registered Users Posts: 7,106 Major grins
    edited July 1, 2005
    crayiii wrote:
    Yeah, that's too bad. I guess I'll have to set up a script to convert all of the files to sRGB and........upload them again......
    Or...since SM / ezprints is obviously your printer of choice...you could change your camera's settings to be all shot in sRGB. Just a thought.

    I am here to attest that you do not want any aRGB photos to be printed by ezprints. They do not convert them from what I understand, they simply print them as is and they look bad.

    aRGB + SM + EZP = bad prints (I've seen the prints). Stick with sRGB.
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    crayiiicrayiii Registered Users Posts: 23 Big grins
    edited July 2, 2005
    Yeah, I should have read first...

    The conversion isn't the issue, I can batch that. The upload time is what is going to be a killer.
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    grannyrobingrannyrobin Registered Users Posts: 134 Major grins
    edited July 2, 2005
    crayiii wrote:
    Yeah, I should have read first...

    The conversion isn't the issue, I can batch that. The upload time is what is going to be a killer.
    The trouble with me is that all I do is read. The way you do it, you're going to end up with all kinds of great photos.

    Uploading. I've read about that, too... smugmug insists on sRGB, but they also insist "No one has been able to tell the difference between images stored at Photoshop JPEG 12 and JPEG 10 settings, but JPEG 10 images are less than a third the size." Maybe that would help with the uploading?

    Would Star*Explorer, too, be a help in uploading? http://www.starexplorer.com/ dgrinners seem to love it. Could it be true? The claim that someone uploaded 20gb in one session? http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=12023&highlight=star+explorer

    When you get the photos converted and uploaded, I hope you'll provide a link so we can all ooh and aah over them. I'll probably still be reading...
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    BaldyBaldy Registered Users, Super Moderators Posts: 2,853 moderator
    edited July 2, 2005
    Sorry, Crayiii... Unfortunately we don't do that conversion yet although it's on our list.

    Your photos will also look better online with more vibrant colors and fewer artifacts if you convert to sRGB first.

    And actually, I have a bit of bad news... Commercial prints like EZ Prints produces are renowned for their good skin tones and shadow detail, the things consumers are most likely to notice in a print, but Adobe 98 undermines both those things because it has coarser increments of color. So going through Adobe 98 first is not as optimal as having the camera convert from RAW to sRGB directly.

    The sRGB tide swept all commercial printers, essentially. Some are starting to detect Adobe 98 files and convert (I've heard whcc does, but their docs say otherwise).

    In terms of the time to upload, changing compression settings will make all the difference without affecting quality at all. Here's more about that, at the bottom of this help section:

    http://www.smugmug.com/help/print-quality

    And since Mike is in this thread and it's about Adobe 98, Mike we're coming out with a new home page that has 20 example sites on the right column that come up in random order (but when you click the more link they go through sequentially). We'd like to use your site as an example. Here's a pic I chose as an example of your photography, but it was in Adobe 98 so I took the liberty of converting. Okay?

    26840033-M.jpg
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    BarbBarb Administrators Posts: 3,352 SmugMug Employee
    edited July 2, 2005
    Baldy wrote:
    And since Mike is in this thread and it's about Adobe 98, Mike we're coming out with a new home page that has 20 example sites on the right column that come up in random order (but when you click the more link they go through sequentially). We'd like to use your site as an example. Here's a pic I chose as an example of your photography, but it was in Adobe 98 so I took the liberty of converting. Okay?

    This is a great idea!
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    Mike LaneMike Lane Registered Users Posts: 7,106 Major grins
    edited July 2, 2005
    Baldy wrote:
    And since Mike is in this thread and it's about Adobe 98, Mike we're coming out with a new home page that has 20 example sites on the right column that come up in random order (but when you click the more link they go through sequentially). We'd like to use your site as an example. Here's a pic I chose as an example of your photography, but it was in Adobe 98 so I took the liberty of converting. Okay?

    26840033-M.jpg
    Oh good god YES that's okay!

    (FYI, if you care...That was from my very first photo shoot when all I knew about colorspace was from Scott Kelby...I'll be happy if they are all converted to sRGB actually. I'm all sRGB these days!)
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