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USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
edited December 3, 2005 in Mind Your Own Business
A local (Cincinnati area) art company has contacted me to buy one of my photos.
I checked them out and seem to be a good reputable company.

My question is what to charge?
The photo will be used once to decorate a client’s office.
They prefer to have the digital file...they may give me a statement (contract) for the one time use of file.
This company would rather use their printer.

My thinking on part of this is this may open some doors for my photos and me.
The person I talked to says they are always looking for photos of Cincinnati and Northern Ky.

Anyone have any help on this?

Thanks
Fred

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    gluwatergluwater Registered Users Posts: 3,599 Major grins
    edited July 21, 2005
    I have absolutely no experience on this subject, just thougth I'd say congratulations and I hope this leads to more sales of your pics.

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    JimMJimM Registered Users Posts: 1,389 Major grins
    edited July 21, 2005
    Sounds like great news. Send us a link to the pic! For one office, single use, you could be anywhere from $50-$1000. I would try for $250 if I were you.
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    AngeloAngelo Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
    edited July 21, 2005
    do some research by pricing a piece of commercial photgraphy as if you were the client.... I often buy at: www.gettyone.com

    That will give you a very good idea. Prices for a digital file (one time use contract should be mandatory!!!) can range from $99 to $599, depending on the artist and the file size.
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited July 22, 2005
    Thanks Everyone
    This helps me very much
    Great link Angelo have to check out this sight a little more.

    Here's the photo ...I don't think it's my best but I quit trying to figure that stuff a long time ago icon10.gif

    21324912-L.jpg

    Thanks
    Fred
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    Shay StephensShay Stephens Registered Users Posts: 3,165 Major grins
    edited July 22, 2005
    This scenario is covered in the book "Pricing Photography" third edition by Michal Heron and David Mactavish. The exhibit fee for a single print with one time, non exclusive rights ranges from $500 to $700.

    These are only guides, and you need to determine pricing that makes sense for you and your market. But it at least is a place to start. The book has info that helps you negotiate prices and determine what you should be charging. I recommend it to all photographers.
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    AngeloAngelo Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
    edited July 22, 2005
    USAIR wrote:
    This helps me very much
    Great link Angelo have to check out this sight a little more.
    Thanks
    Fred
    Fred - I've done a little checking for you...

    I've searched this Cincinnati picture (oops I forgot the photog's name) and got pricing at $715 for: 300dpi, 30mb, usage: wall decor, 1 print, USA, 5 years (options vary)
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited July 22, 2005
    Shay
    I will have to head to Barns and Noble to pick up this book
    Thank you for your help

    Fred
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited July 22, 2005
    Angelo
    Angelo wrote:
    Fred - I've done a little checking for you...

    I've searched this Cincinnati picture (oops I forgot the photog's name) and got pricing at $715 for: 300dpi, 30mb, usage: wall decor, 1 print, USA, 5 years (options vary)
    I been looking around too and it looks like the prices range quite a bit
    Near as I can figure this company paid a well known photographer from this area around $500 for a shot like this.
    But I have seen also an amateur made $100 from this company for a shot.

    I talked to them today they told me that my photos were fresh and they were tired of the same old photos of Cincy from the local pros

    They want me to come meet the staff and bring some buisness cards(which been order for over a week and I still don't have) and go from there.

    So it sounds good to me but we'll see.

    Thanks for the help
    Fred
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    SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited July 23, 2005
    USAIR wrote:
    I been looking around too and it looks like the prices range quite a bit
    Near as I can figure this company paid a well known photographer from this area around $500 for a shot like this.
    But I have seen also an amateur made $100 from this company for a shot.

    I talked to them today they told me that my photos were fresh and they were tired of the same old photos of Cincy from the local pros

    They want me to come meet the staff and bring some buisness cards(which been order for over a week and I still don't have) and go from there.

    So it sounds good to me but we'll see.

    Thanks for the help
    Fred
    I took a fast look at your photo site. You have some very nice photos there.

    I don't have a business, but have found it advantages to have a small number of cards in my wallet. I just print them 8 up on photo paper as needed and cut them out by hand. So don't let the nondelivery of your cards slow you down.

    Good luck,

    Sam
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited July 24, 2005
    Sam
    Yes it's a good idea to have a few cards so people can get in touch with you or just to visit your web site.

    Thanks for your help

    Fred
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited July 24, 2005
    When it rains it pours
    Just got contacted by a local Ford dealer they want me to take photos of their race car.
    I don't even know what type of car someone local told me it's a nascar type.
    The lady I talked to wants me there Monday at 5:00 pm don't know if its outside or in a showroom? ne_nau.gif

    I'll have to look around to see some other car shots
    I am going to take a ladder to get overhead shots
    Also take tripod and my flash

    Anyone else have any ideas on what to take?
    And charge?

    Thanks
    Fred
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    NirNir Registered Users Posts: 1,400 Major grins
    edited July 24, 2005
    Fantastic Fred!! Need an accountant?
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited July 24, 2005
    Nir
    Nir wrote:
    Fantastic Fred!! Need an accountant?
    lol8.gif Thanks Nir for the offer
    But something tells me it's just a flash in the pan...but fun icon10.gif

    Fred
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    SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited July 25, 2005
    USAIR wrote:
    Just got contacted by a local Ford dealer they want me to take photos of their race car.
    I don't even know what type of car someone local told me it's a nascar type.
    The lady I talked to wants me there Monday at 5:00 pm don't know if its outside or in a showroom? ne_nau.gif

    I'll have to look around to see some other car shots
    I am going to take a ladder to get overhead shots
    Also take tripod and my flash

    Anyone else have any ideas on what to take?
    And charge?

    Thanks
    Fred
    Just off the top of my head, the ladder sounds good.

    The flash however...........I don't know this for a fact....be warned....but wouldn't a flash create a lot of really bright reflection from chrome etc? ne_nau.gifne_nau.gif

    Sam
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited July 29, 2005
    Update
    Well just thought I would give every one an update on this.

    Sold the above photo for a *cheap* I think $200 to "get my foot in the door" .
    And I think it did work ...they ask me to do some photos on some old cars they don't really care what kind.

    I met with some of the people and gave out cards to all of them today.
    So we will see.

    The race car shoot was rescheduled for Aug 3 but that date is iffy.

    Also received a call from an airfield lighting company

    They have seen some of my airport shots and ask me to take photos of there products on the arifield.
    They got my name (email really) from doing a google search on Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport then found my airport photos.
    I don't have many photos from the airport on the web site I'm always leary posting them.

    Any comments are welcome this is all new to me (if I screwed up please tell me)
    So any help would be appreciated

    Thanks
    Fred
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    mercphotomercphoto Registered Users Posts: 4,550 Major grins
    edited July 29, 2005
    USAIR wrote:
    Just got contacted by a local Ford dealer they want me to take photos of their race car.
    I don't even know what type of car someone local told me it's a nascar type.
    The lady I talked to wants me there Monday at 5:00 pm don't know if its outside or in a showroom? ne_nau.gif

    I'll have to look around to see some other car shots
    I am going to take a ladder to get overhead shots
    Also take tripod and my flash
    And a circular polarizer. You might want the flash off-camera, so a cord to connect the two might be nice. And if using a tri-pod a remote shutter release is a good idea. I can't help you with pricing but hope others can.
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited July 30, 2005
    Bill
    mercphoto wrote:
    And a circular polarizer. You might want the flash off-camera, so a cord to connect the two might be nice. And if using a tri-pod a remote shutter release is a good idea. I can't help you with pricing but hope others can.
    I plan on taking all you mentioned above.
    I don't have a remote release but shutter speeds should be high enough.
    Remote is on my wish list just haven't picked one up yet. icon10.gif

    Thank you for the help I do appreciate it thumb.gif

    Fred
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    GREAPERGREAPER Registered Users Posts: 3,113 Major grins
    edited July 30, 2005
    USAIR wrote:
    I plan on taking all you mentioned above.
    I don't have a remote release but shutter speeds should be high enough.
    Remote is on my wish list just haven't picked one up yet. icon10.gif

    Thank you for the help I do appreciate it thumb.gif

    Fred

    If you dont have a cable release or remote, dont forget the cameras self timer. It can also be used for hands off tripod photography of a stationary object.
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    JimMJimM Registered Users Posts: 1,389 Major grins
    edited August 2, 2005
    To shoot cars, typically giant softboxes are used. In your case, I would avoid the flash if you can, and use some natural light and use a couple of reflectors to fill in the shadows. If you must use the flash, use something to diffuse it. The old index card straight off the top would be useful here (even better if it is off the camera). If the car is outside, hope for an overcast day. If it is in the showroom (they usually have plenty of windows), try to use a reflector. A makeshift one with something to stretch a white sheet over should work fairly well.


    Good Luck and make sure you post the pics!
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    USAIRUSAIR Registered Users Posts: 2,646 Major grins
    edited August 3, 2005
    Greaper and Jim thank you for the help.



    Well guess I do another update

    The racecar was wrecked but they will call next week when it is fixed.
    The lady I talked to is very excited about the shoot (me too) ..So I sure she will call.

    Now for the airfield product shoot.
    My employer says it would be a conflict of interest for me to do this.

    Although I have access to the airfield when I am on the clock other times, I would have to have an escort to go on the airfield.
    This costs big money.

    Also thinking that I just might bring home a few airfield lights and shoot some like that.

    One other option is to do the shoot during my shift and be paid by the airport but the airfield company would have to reimburse the airport for my time.
    So not sure what I will do. ne_nau.gif
    But I will sure post photos you everyone to see how I do.:D

    Thanks
    Fred
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    PalusMusPalusMus Registered Users Posts: 8 Beginner grinner
    edited December 3, 2005
    A little advice please
    I just got an e-mail from a publishing company who wants to purchase one of my photos to use on the cover of a book. This is the photo they are interested in: http://palusmus.smugmug.com/gallery/518373
    I have never sold a digital copy of a photo before so I don't know what I should charge. Is $250 an outrageous price to ask ?
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