Think Secret: Apple Aperture Future in Question

Marc · April 27, 2006

FYI...

Think Secret is reporting that Aperture's future is in question as Apple axes bulk of team.

Well now... if it's true and if Aperture goes away, it looks light Lightroom is *it*.

Thoughts? :dunno

Marc

photocat · April 27, 2006

I am still a bit peeved that I can't work with it on my last year's bought G5, nor on my powerbook G4... I mean, those are not really "toy" machines...
Lightroom plays on both, and I love their slideshow function.
I think it was way over priced... at least for the overal serious amateur-intrance level pro photographer.
It does look good though, it is very impressive to watch the user interface...
It is a hard choice... I wonder if Adobe will replace bridge with lightroom...

colourbox · April 27, 2006

photocat wrote:

It is a hard choice... I wonder if Adobe will replace bridge with lightroom...

It's a good question, but note that Bridge also works with the other Creative Suite and Windows video suite file types: InDesign layouts, Illustrator, video, audio...

cabbey · May 5, 2006

contrarian view
That Think Secret story is generally not being viewed as overly accurate, a good analysis of the story can be found starting here and finishing a bit later. In between those, the author of the above also dug into some quality reporting from the AP.

DavidTO · May 5, 2006

Apple also stated that they have more people working on it than ever before.

Mike Lane · May 5, 2006

Aperture DNG?
Speaking of Aperture, can it take my raw files and convert them to DNGs?

bwg · May 5, 2006

Mike Lane wrote:

Speaking of Aperture, can it take my raw files and convert them to DNGs?

doesnt look like it.

http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs.html

1. DNG files must be generated by the Adobe DNG Converter, with the "Convert to Linear Image" option turned off, and created from RAW formats that are otherwise already supported by Mac OS X 10.4.3 or later.

Mike Lane · May 5, 2006

Hmmm. I'm just trying to think of ways to evaluate my raws, convert them to DNGs, append metadata to those DNGs, and then rename them and put them in a folder of their own. I'd like to do make this as automated a process as I can. I may add burning the original CR2 files to DVD in there somewhere too

I can manage all of that in bridge (I think) but I was just hoping that maybe I could avoid the whole xp on my mac thing (at least for the shootout).

Ideas?

bwg · May 5, 2006

Mike Lane wrote:

Hmmm. I'm just trying to think of ways to evaluate my raws, convert them to DNGs, append metadata to those DNGs, and then rename them and put them in a folder of their own. I'd like to do make this as automated a process as I can. I may add burning the original CR2 files to DVD in there somewhere too

I can manage all of that in bridge (I think) but I was just hoping that maybe I could avoid the whole xp on my mac thing (at least for the shootout).

Ideas?

you can do all of that in iPhoto (except for the dng thing). it's not the greatest in the world, but it'll do in a pinch.

bwg · May 5, 2006

bigwebguy wrote:

you can do all of that in iPhoto (except the dng thing). it's not the greatest in the world, but it'll do in a pinch.

you may need to bring in automator for the renaming, but the rest you can do in iPhoto. I'm sure DavidTO will correct me if i'm wrong.

DavidTO · May 5, 2006

iPhoto will not do what you want for the metadata, and I would not recommend it for RAW.

I also don't see why you need to do the whole DNG thing while on the road. You may want to keyword your RAW files and back them up, but you can make the DNGs later, right?

I would look at two things:

1) the upgrade path cost of buying the suite now, upgrading later as opposed to buying later. Maybe it makes sense to buy now and live with the performance hit, which may not be that bad in real world terms, anyway, I don't know.

2) Get a copy of iView Media Pro, which is the cataloging software that I would recommend, anyway. It will handle everything but the DNG conversion and is something you should just have.

Mike Lane · May 5, 2006

DavidTO wrote:

iPhoto will not do what you want for the metadata, and I would not recommend it for RAW.

I also don't see why you need to do the whole DNG thing while on the road. You may want to keyword your RAW files and back them up, but you can make the DNGs later, right?

I would look at two things:

1) the upgrade path cost of buying the suite now, upgrading later as opposed to buying later. Maybe it makes sense to buy now and live with the performance hit, which may not be that bad in real world terms, anyway, I don't know.

2) Get a copy of iView Media Pro, which is the cataloging software that I would recommend, anyway. It will handle everything but the DNG conversion and is something you should just have.

Yeah I can do the DNG stuff later. I'll need some time to really get that workflow up and running anyhow. I'll look into iView Media Pro, thanks yo.

DavidTO · May 5, 2006

Read The DAM Book

bwg · May 5, 2006

DavidTO wrote:

iPhoto will not do what you want for the metadata, and I would not recommend it for RAW.

I also don't see why you need to do the whole DNG thing while on the road. You may want to keyword your RAW files and back them up, but you can make the DNGs later, right?

I would look at two things:

1) the upgrade path cost of buying the suite now, upgrading later as opposed to buying later. Maybe it makes sense to buy now and live with the performance hit, which may not be that bad in real world terms, anyway, I don't know.

2) Get a copy of iView Media Pro, which is the cataloging software that I would recommend, anyway. It will handle everything but the DNG conversion and is something you should just have.

Ok, so i swear that you could add keywords and metadata in iPhoto

i must have misunderstood what mike wanted to do, i agree that i would not use iPhoto to process raw files, but for chimping and cataloging it works fine.

plus the slideshows are neat.

DavidTO · May 5, 2006

bigwebguy wrote:

Ok, so i swear that you could add keywords and metadata in iPhoto

You can add keywords, but I don't think they play nice with IPTC. I checked with a friend that uses it.

Mike Lane · May 5, 2006

This will be your Dam tour...

Well I wanted to post a side-splitting scene from National Lampoon's Vegas Vacation when they were visiting the hoover dam. So I searched out the site. Okay, Vegas Vacation came out in 1997 and my god does the movie's website look like it was created in 1997.

That's just plain funny

mercphoto · May 5, 2006

DavidTO wrote:

You can add keywords, but I don't think they play nice with IPTC.

Correct. iPhoto keywords do not appear to be standard. For example, I'll keyword in Bridge, then import into iPhoto, but then can't search and find those keywords any longer. Very strange.

bwg · May 5, 2006

mercphoto wrote:

Correct. iPhoto keywords do not appear to be standard. For example, I'll keyword in Bridge, then import into iPhoto, but then can't search and find those keywords any longer. Very strange.

gotcha. i use bridge for my workflow. iPhoto is for showing slideshows to family and friends. it has MUSIC!!!!!

DavidTO · May 5, 2006

Mike Lane wrote:

This will be your Dam tour...

Well I wanted to post a side-splitting scene from National Lampoon's Vegas Vacation when they were visiting the hoover dam. So I searched out the site. Okay, Vegas Vacation came out in 1997 and my god does the movie's website look like it was created in 1997.

That's just plain funny

I remember that. "Take all the dam pictures you want."

DavidTO · May 5, 2006

bigwebguy wrote:

gotcha. i use bridge for my workflow. iPhoto is for showing slideshows to family and friends. it has MUSIC!!!!!

There's a lot of great to iPhoto. Just not for serious use.

topspringer · May 6, 2006

I am using Aperture 1.1.1 now
This is one amazing piece of software! I imported easily all my iPhoto pictures, and keywords and all organization of the files came through perfectly. It is about the same complexity as Lightroom though Lightroom has a more colorful "pretty" layout of the same bag of tricks. The DVD movie disk that came with Aperture is probably all the training a person will ever need to use the software, but it is quite long and involved - a lot of ground to cover. I do miss one feature they dropped that was in iPhoto. In iPhoto, when you publish to your web page, you have the option of forming custom simulated picture frames around your pictures. That was very cool. I don't think Lightroom can do that either however. I don't see a single item missing from Aperture that I need, short of sharpening. *Revision> It does do sharpening too.* The other image enhancement slider tools work instantly in real time and make short work of adjustments. An excellent program! It would be very very difficult to see this program ever going away. It's great.

Marc wrote:

FYI...

Think Secret is reporting that Aperture's future is in question as Apple axes bulk of team.

Well now... if it's true and if Aperture goes away, it looks light Lightroom is *it*.

Thoughts?

Marc

suntzu · May 12, 2006

ThinkSecret is getting crappier and crappier. Here's a link you should read if you haven't already:

http://daringfireball.net/2006/05/more_aperture_dirt

Seems Aperture is going to get even better and with stronger support.

colourbox · May 12, 2006

I've see factual errors in past Daring Fireball posts. Basically it isn't helping to refute one rumor site with another.

Think Secret: Apple Aperture Future in Question

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