need computer help

lukiedukielukiedukie Big grinsPosts: 46Registered Users Big grins
edited January 1, 2005 in Digital Darkroom
Hello everyone-
I need some help. My computer just gat infested with a bunch of viruses and I need to get a new one. I never had an apple and everyone who is in the photgraphy or any creative field recomends i get an apple instead of a dell or hp.
What do all of you use for your photography and what are the pros and cons to an Apple? I also need to use it to do word documents , excle ect.
please help.
thanks
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  • pathfinderpathfinder Drive By Digital Shooter Posts: 13,926Super Moderators moderator
    edited November 17, 2004
    lukiedukie wrote:
    Hello everyone-
    I need some help. My computer just gat infested with a bunch of viruses and I need to get a new one. I never had an apple and everyone who is in the photgraphy or any creative field recomends i get an apple instead of a dell or hp.
    What do all of you use for your photography and what are the pros and cons to an Apple? I also need to use it to do word documents , excle ect.
    please help.
    thanks

    No viruses in Apple land
    No codes or activation of the operating system -
    G5 Imacs are competitive pricewise with similarly equipped midlevel Wintel boxes.
    Macs connect with PCs nicely over your own home network
    No activation required for Photoshop from Adobe in Apple land
    blah, blah, blah....
    Micorosoft Office is available for Macs and WOrd macro viruses won't work on a MAC
    OpenOffice is available as an altenative to Office
    I am a recent swapper, so I may be recently biased. There is a thread in te Accessories area here on dgrin re PC versus Mac with much of htis discussion there.
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  • jwearjwear learning now shoot & cuss Posts: 7,962Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 17, 2004
    follow the thread
    http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=1215 lots of good things here if you did not read it . or the short ver. get mac thumb.gif
    Jeff W

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  • mercphotomercphoto Bill Jurasz Posts: 4,624Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 18, 2004
    Buy Mac
    lukiedukie wrote:
    Hello everyone-
    I need some help. My computer just gat infested with a bunch of viruses and I need to get a new one. I never had an apple and everyone who is in the photgraphy or any creative field recomends i get an apple instead of a dell or hp.
    What do all of you use for your photography and what are the pros and cons to an Apple? I also need to use it to do word documents , excle ect.
    please help.
    thanks

    Get a Mac. You will be very happy you did.

    I use a 12" Power Book G4. I wish I had bought the Super Drive option. Pretty much any current Apple product is just fine for photography, including the iBook and the eMac. With the current upgrade to the iBooks I can't actually recommend the 12" PowerBook anymore. In my mind, its iBook, or a 15" Power Book as the only logical choices.

    The eMac is a great buy. For little money you can get a Super Drive and the CRT monitor is very nice. The new iMacs are very nice. G5 processor, nice LCD, slim design.

    If you want extreme power, get a G5 Power Mac and a Cinema Display.

    Microsoft Office for Mac is available. Plus all the other software you are likely to use in your daily life. As I like to tell friends, sure the PC world has more software, and 95% of it is junk you will never buy anyway.
    Bill Jurasz - Mercury Photography - Austin TX
    A former sports shooter
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  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 18, 2004
    Have you fixed your machine? No need to buy a new one just to get rid of viruses. Having been infected a few times, I might be able to help. And also help you avoid re-infection.
    Sid.
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  • PerezDesignGroupPerezDesignGroup Illustrator Posts: 395Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 18, 2004
    wxwax wrote:
    Have you fixed your machine? No need to buy a new one just to get rid of viruses. Having been infected a few times, I might be able to help. And also help you avoid re-infection.
    I'm a dedicated believer in www.avast.com and their free (really free) home version. It has saved me a$$ so many times.
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  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 18, 2004
    I'm a dedicated believer in www.avast.com and their free (really free) home version. It has saved me a$$ so many times.
    Cool, another one! This will make three free anti-virus softwares, one free firewall, and two free spyware programs that I run every day.

    Also, you might check out this free online scan from Computer Associates. The bummer is that you have to use Internet Explorer to use it. The good news is that it does a nice clean scour of your system.
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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  • fishfish Site Megalodon Posts: 2,950Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 19, 2004
    lukiedukie wrote:
    Hello everyone-
    I need some help. My computer just gat infested with a bunch of viruses and I need to get a new one. I never had an apple and everyone who is in the photgraphy or any creative field recomends i get an apple instead of a dell or hp.
    What do all of you use for your photography and what are the pros and cons to an Apple? I also need to use it to do word documents , excle ect.
    please help.
    thanks

    Hi lukie,

    I was a died-in-the-wool PC user (except at work, where I use Solaris/SPARC). When it came time to buy a new laptop, I splurged on a 15" Apple Powerbook. Within a couple of weeks, I found that I was using the Powerbook more than any other computer. Then the new G5 iMacs were introduced, so I bought a pair. And then bought an eMac for the kids. Now I'm a total switcher (some folks would call me MacWhore ;)

    If you need to do Word, you can of course get Word for Mac, or you can download Open Office for free, which is completely compatible (www.openoffice.org). I believe Appleworks (bundled in OS X) is also compatible to a certain extent. However, with Open Office, you've got presentations, drawing, word processing, and spreadsheets. Did I mention that it was FREE?

    So far, there's only one application that I really want to run that's not currently available for the Mac - Doom3. And I understand the port is underway.

    I use the mac for photography (iPhoto, Photoshop Elements, iDVD), work (open office, Cisco VPN3000, Safari (great java implementation), and Enact project collaboration), and music (iTunes). For fun, I'm playing Splinter Cell, Halo, and all the Burning Monkey games. I also do all my personal finances on it (Quicken) and come April, I'll be doing my taxes on it (Turbotax).

    OS X is a robust Unix implementation, so it's stable, reliable, and you never get the blue screen of death.

    Go for it. deal.gif
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  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 19, 2004
    Full disclosure amidst this Apple love fest. naughty.gif
    Sid.
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  • DJ-S1DJ-S1 Life is good! Posts: 2,303Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 19, 2004
    Oh, Sid, you're askin' for it! PC vs Mac is worse than politics and religion talk combined! lol3.gif
  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited November 19, 2004
    DJ-S1 wrote:
    Oh, Sid, you're askin' for it! PC vs Mac is worse than politics and religion talk combined! lol3.gif
    Just using their own words against 'em! :D

    rolleyes1.gif
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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  • lynnmalynnma Moddess Emeritus Posts: 5,221Super Moderators Major grins
    edited December 2, 2004
    wxwax wrote:
    Just using their own words against 'em! :D

    rolleyes1.gif
    I have a brand new top of the line pc loaded.. (me and the kid built it in Seattle and I dragged it back to Massachusetts :D )I have every kind of virus protection and vodooo dolls and hemp rope around it and I still manage to have problems and I've had the "blue screen of death" many times.. not with this one thank goodness (since I added the hemp rope) so I battle with it each day.. I would certainly look at a Mac next time I have to buy.. even tho I've never used one..
  • mercphotomercphoto Bill Jurasz Posts: 4,624Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 2, 2004
    Macs and PCs
    wxwax wrote:
    Just using their own words against 'em! :D

    rolleyes1.gif

    Of course, we're forgetting how horribly ambigous the HTML language is. Or how Microsoft just loves to put in "enhancements" that only work on Internet Explorer (as they tried to do with Java until the courts rightfully blocked them from doing so). And then Microsoft sells web development tools that use those non-standard enhancements, and voila, people start writing web pages that work best on IE. Then they don't work on my linux box at work, or my Mac at home.

    Yes, I have no love for Microsoft. And I work in this biz, I have inside information to draw my conclusions from.
    Bill Jurasz - Mercury Photography - Austin TX
    A former sports shooter
    Follow me at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bjurasz/
  • DJ-S1DJ-S1 Life is good! Posts: 2,303Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 2, 2004
    I read recently that there are 60,000 viruses targeted at MS products, and 60 for Apple products. 60 is not zero. I think you folks running Macs with broadband connections and absolutely no virus protection are taking a risk that I wouldn't take. ne_nau.gif Just my opinion, YMMV...
  • yvonneyvonne Snap Happy in London Posts: 193Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 2, 2004
    I'm reliably informed, that in attempt at compatibility, Mac is actually opening itself to viruses (had this explained to me in great detail recently but couldn't necessarily repeat it) so the advantage of the Mac security will be severly compromised.

    Yes, you can run MS applications on a mac now, but that's in a subenvironment, so you might aswell be on a PC as you don't get any of the mac "advantages" that way. So what you're left with is repurchasing ALL of your software in Mac version which is simply not worth it. Or ditching your old programs and getting to know all new mac software, which is tedious.

    I looked at this really closely when I went to upgrade my PC recently and once you know your pc shortcuts, there's really not very much difference between a top of the range vaio and a powerbook. Oh and I have never had a home owned PC (i.e. non office network) crash on me. For any reason.

    In the past, I would agree Apple had a huuuuge headstart on PC when it came to creative stuff, but with the new graphics and soundcards on pcs that are designed to run high memory games and such like, I really don't see any advantage in apple anymore. (And my best friend's husband sits way up in apple r+d somewhere - they've been trying to convert me like their lives depended on it).

    Show me something that I can do on a Mac that a.) I actually need to be able to do and isn't just a gimmick, and b.) that I am unable to do on my PC, and then I might consider a mac. Otherwise, my Vaio and I are very happy together. And it sings to me when it goes on screensaver iloveyou.gif
  • DavidTODavidTO Mod Emeritus Posts: 19,160Administrators moderator
    edited December 2, 2004
    DJ-S1 wrote:
    I read recently that there are 60,000 viruses targeted at MS products, and 60 for Apple products. 60 is not zero. I think you folks running Macs with broadband connections and absolutely no virus protection are taking a risk that I wouldn't take. ne_nau.gif Just my opinion, YMMV...

    Those 60 viruses only effect earlier OSs, like OS9.

    There is only one malware that effects OSX, and it's not much of a concern--you need to have local access and administrator privileges to install it. It's called Opener, and only showed up in the last month. It does point out that OSX is not completely invulnerable to attack, but I'd have to say that the odds are WAY in the Mac's favor. Like 60,000:1, if that, since local administrator access does not even make one, in my book.

    Also of note, take a look at Secunia, a security tracking site. You can track security for many products there: how many problems there have been, if they've been patched, etc. There is simply no comparison between XP and OSX.

    OSX

    Windows XP Professional

    Frightening that the Office of Homeland Security is running windows.

    Anyone interested in an in-depth discussion of Opener can find it here.

    And another explanation of it here.
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  • mercphotomercphoto Bill Jurasz Posts: 4,624Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 2, 2004
    Macs
    yvonne wrote:
    I'm reliably informed, that in attempt at compatibility, Mac is actually opening itself to viruses (had this explained to me in great detail recently but couldn't necessarily repeat it) so the advantage of the Mac security will be severly compromised.

    And you can blaim that all on Microsoft. In an attempt to get the Mac more compatible with Word files, etc., you will open yourself to the vulnerabilities inherint in Microsoft software.

    The solution is TO STOP USING SOFTWARE PRODUCTS THAT ARE CAUSING ALL THESE PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
    Show me something that I can do on a Mac that a.) I actually need to be able to do and isn't just a gimmick, and b.) that I am unable to do on my PC, and then I might consider a mac.

    I actually use the same argument the other way around when people tell me how much more software is available for the PC. My question is how much of that software will they actually buy and use, and what do they use their PC for that they can't do on a Mac. The answer is usually that they can do everything they want on either system.

    So, what can you do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC? For one, I've never had to re-install Mac OS. I did that with Windows too often. I add memory or peripherals w/o having to go through that stupid BIOS setup. I update my firmware or operating system and things work, flawless. I buy a new printer, or external hard disk, or whatever, and it just works. And I have never had to remove Spyware, viruses, worms or the like. No infestations in 6 years of Mac ownership.

    And my Mac seldom needs rebooting. We're talking months at a time. Never had that with Windows. But what I really lust at is the stability and power I'm used to at work from my unix workstations. IBM RS/6000 and Sun Sparc's can really spoil you in that regard, and we push our computers hard.

    So, what can you do on a Mac that you can't with a PC? You can stop worrying about the PC and just start USING your computer.
    Bill Jurasz - Mercury Photography - Austin TX
    A former sports shooter
    Follow me at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bjurasz/
  • DJ-S1DJ-S1 Life is good! Posts: 2,303Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 2, 2004
    DavidTO wrote:
    Those 60 viruses only effect earlier OSs, like OS9.

    There is only one malware that effects OSX, and it's not much of a concern--
    David, I'm not arguing against Apple. I'm just saying that there are security problems with every computer system, and I'm surprised to hear that many of you don't have any AV software running.

    I followed that link you provided, and it lists 40 advisories and "vulnerabilites" in OSX that have been patched in the last year, if I am reading it correctly. That includes some that read in part
    "...vulnerabilities have been reported in Mac OS X, allowing malicious web sites to compromise a vulnerable system...NOTE: The rating has been upgraded to "Extremely Critical" because the issues are very easy to exploit and a large number of working exploits are available."

    So yes, they have been patched by Apple and are no longer a problem. And maybe they technically aren't "viruses"? ne_nau.gif But to imply that OSX came out of the box with zero security risks?

    I didn't look at the Windows page, but I'm sure the number is slightly more than 40; like 22 bazillion or something. eek7.gif I'm not comparing one to the other, and I don't claim to be an expert in any way. It's obvious you know what you are talking about. I just think that some of the statements on both sides are misleading to us outside observers.

    Now that I have completely disregarded my own advice to Waxy (don't talk religion, politics, or OSes), I think I'll go start a thread entitled "If you aren't an orthodox christian, you aren't really a christian." rolleyes1.gif
  • DavidTODavidTO Mod Emeritus Posts: 19,160Administrators moderator
    edited December 2, 2004
    DJ-S1 wrote:
    David, I'm not arguing against Apple. I'm just saying that there are security problems with every computer system, and I'm surprised to hear that many of you don't have any AV software running.

    I followed that link you provided, and it lists 40 advisories and "vulnerabilites" in OSX that have been patched in the last year, if I am reading it correctly. That includes some that read in part
    So yes, they have been patched by Apple and are no longer a problem. And maybe they technically aren't "viruses"? ne_nau.gif But to imply that OSX came out of the box with zero security risks?

    I didn't look at the Windows page, but I'm sure the number is slightly more than 40; like 22 bazillion or something. eek7.gif I'm not comparing one to the other, and I don't claim to be an expert in any way. It's obvious you know what you are talking about. I just think that some of the statements on both sides are misleading to us outside observers.

    Now that I have completely disregarded my own advice to Waxy (don't talk religion, politics, or OSes), I think I'll go start a thread entitled "If you aren't an orthodox christian, you aren't really a christian." rolleyes1.gif

    I didn't take that you were arguing against Apple. You're right, every OS requires that you be careful. I just wanted to clear the air about OSX. I actually do run anti-viral software, and think it's a good idea. Not because there are any current threats against OSX that I'm concerned about, but because I'm sure there will be eventually. It's just that the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor when you're running OSX.

    Yes, all of the security patches have been made in OSX, and there are currently no unpatched security holes that have been reported. That being said, I just downloaded a security update for OSX to cover Safari, Apache and more.

    If you had gone to the Secunia link for XP, you would have seen that the advisory is currently "Highly Critical" with 20 of 74 security advisories unpatched. OSX did not come out of the box without security problems, but the track record speaks for itself.

    And I know that when I read about Windows users running 3 AV apps, and spyware apps on top of it, I cringe. Just not something that appeals to me.
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  • DJ-S1DJ-S1 Life is good! Posts: 2,303Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 2, 2004
    There's no way in heck that there are only 74 for windows! What did they do, lump all the ones that come out each week into one advisory??? :D

    Glad you understood my original intent! thumb.gif The last mac I used was a Mac Plus in the late 80's I guess. My boss had it, and I was addicted to a game on it, used to stay late and lose track of time. Those were the days!

    My next job was on Sparcstations, that was cool. I learned some Unix, vi, grep, awk... That was fun stuff. Now it's mainly PCs.

    Wouldn't mind one of those cool new Macs with a huge flat panel, if any of you folks are feeling generous this xmas! deal.gif Until then, I'll slog along with my Dell...
  • yvonneyvonne Snap Happy in London Posts: 193Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 3, 2004
    mercphoto wrote:
    And you can blaim that all on Microsoft. In an attempt to get the Mac more compatible with Word files, etc., you will open yourself to the vulnerabilities inherint in Microsoft software.

    The solution is TO STOP USING SOFTWARE PRODUCTS THAT ARE CAUSING ALL THESE PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE.



    I actually use the same argument the other way around when people tell me how much more software is available for the PC. My question is how much of that software will they actually buy and use, and what do they use their PC for that they can't do on a Mac. The answer is usually that they can do everything they want on either system.

    So, what can you do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC? For one, I've never had to re-install Mac OS. I did that with Windows too often. I add memory or peripherals w/o having to go through that stupid BIOS setup. I update my firmware or operating system and things work, flawless. I buy a new printer, or external hard disk, or whatever, and it just works. And I have never had to remove Spyware, viruses, worms or the like. No infestations in 6 years of Mac ownership.

    And my Mac seldom needs rebooting. We're talking months at a time. Never had that with Windows. But what I really lust at is the stability and power I'm used to at work from my unix workstations. IBM RS/6000 and Sun Sparc's can really spoil you in that regard, and we push our computers hard.

    So, what can you do on a Mac that you can't with a PC? You can stop worrying about the PC and just start USING your computer.
    I don't need to stop worrying as I don't have any worries in the first place.

    In 10yrs of PC ownership, I have never had problems with any of the things you describe. I have no interest in converting you to PC. At all. But I do have a problem with MAC users hammering down on anyone who's buying a new computer that Apple is the only way to go, and that PC is the devil. It's like it's a religion. I don't try to cram my religion down your throat, please don't try to cram your OS down mine. I say that, not to you individually, but to all the Mac wallahs that have endlessly bent my ear in the pub over the years.

    If you are a happy PC user (and you'd be surprised how many of us there are), then there is absolutely no reason not to upgrade the equipment you have, stay with PC, use the software you are familiar and happy with, and keep life simple. Mac does NOT give you anything you can't do on a PC.

    And whether the original viruses came from MS programs or not is a moot point now. The real point is that Mac, by getting greedy and wanting to get it's hands on MS customers though cross over software, added compatibility, portals etc, is no longer immune to viruses and hence loses the one genuine bit of competitive advantage it once held.
  • lynnesitelynnesite Horses of Courses Posts: 747Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 25, 2004
    yvonne wrote:
    And whether the original viruses came from MS programs or not is a moot point now. The real point is that Mac, by getting greedy and wanting to get it's hands on MS customers though cross over software, added compatibility, portals etc, is no longer immune to viruses and hence loses the one genuine bit of competitive advantage it once held.

    Repeated specious arguments! "wanting to get its hands on MS customers through Crossover software"? The first 3rd party apps for the Mac were by MICROSOFT in 1984 or so. Microsoft Word! Microsoft Excel! In 1997, I think, MS invested $100 million in Apple and send 100+ programmers to Apple to develop Office 98. Research had shown that per person, Mac users bought more software than PC users. At that time, MS was selling $500 million a year to Mac users. Office 97 and Office 98 were document-compatible without any special software, just use of the properly formatted media for the desired platform. What in the heck is *wrong* with compatibility? To each his own. You have chosen. You have thrived. Many have not, the tales are legion. Consultants making lots of money for going back to the same customers for the same thing, over and over--it was acting in bad faith so I quit doing PC stuff.

    And I don't get "Apple Getting Greedy"? Apple choosing to buy NEXT and developing their modern OS on a Unix base? I don't see in any way how a single small patch every few months in any way compares to the BEVY of patches that MS disgorges incredibly frequently for not only its OSs but all of those companion apps -- screensavers, media players, ActiveX, etc.

    Apple is not trying to take over the world. MS has done a fine job of that. Apple is content to make the BMW of the computing world, and that OS happens to be well suited to novice users through pro creative users. That's the "genuine competitive advantage".

    I can see why your friends have given up trying to convince you.
  • ActionpixActionpix actionpix Posts: 1Registered Users Beginner grinner
    edited December 26, 2004
    Computer help
    My Advise to you is to stick with IBM compatable PC Not mac due to the savings and the affordability of the software. Remember a pro photograpgher will generally use an Apple because they learn on them and college tafes etc. and so they stick with somthing they know. Apple software is usually more expensive than Pc software and now you can get most pc software at resonable price and from anywhere. The big advantage to PC is the ease improvment and customising you can adapt the pc to which is limiting on a Mac. Thesedays everything in this field can be done on pc. I suggest that you buy a compatable pc and have it custom made for your needs. Not buy brand names like DELL and HP these use cheap parts and will not perform to your needs. I would use the best of everything to make the best PC.
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    lukiedukie wrote:
    Hello everyone-
    I need some help. My computer just gat infested with a bunch of viruses and I need to get a new one. I never had an apple and everyone who is in the photgraphy or any creative field recomends i get an apple instead of a dell or hp.
    What do all of you use for your photography and what are the pros and cons to an Apple? I also need to use it to do word documents , excle ect.
    please help.
    thanks
  • luckyrweluckyrwe Major grins Posts: 945Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 26, 2004
    This is like the argument of Beta vs. VHS. Beta is a better product, but this is America where things are graded on marketing and not on how good something is.

    Sorry, it is the truth!
  • lynnesitelynnesite Horses of Courses Posts: 747Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 27, 2004
    Actionpix wrote:
    My Advise to you is to stick with IBM compatable PC Not mac due to the savings and the affordability of the software. Remember a pro photograpgher will generally use an Apple because they learn on them and college tafes etc. and so they stick with somthing they know. Apple software is usually more expensive than Pc software and now you can get most pc software at resonable price and from anywhere.

    Yeesh. Mac software costs the same as PC software, there has never been a premium for Mac software. Photoshop is Photoshop. Office is Office. Plug-ins cost the same, whatever platform. You are misinformed. If you'd like to offer some proof that Mac software costs more, I'm all ears.
  • fishfish Site Megalodon Posts: 2,950Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 27, 2004
    Actionpix wrote:
    My Advise to you is to stick with IBM compatable PC Not mac due to the savings and the affordability of the software.
    feh. Photoshop costs exactly the same for Mac as it does for PC. OpenOffice is free. So is Mozilla. So what's more expensive, exactly?
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  • mercphotomercphoto Bill Jurasz Posts: 4,624Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 28, 2004
    Sheesh
    lynnesite wrote:
    Yeesh. Mac software costs the same as PC software, there has never been a premium for Mac software. Photoshop is Photoshop. Office is Office. Plug-ins cost the same, whatever platform. You are misinformed. If you'd like to offer some proof that Mac software costs more, I'm all ears.

    Yup. I lost interest in this thread when some PC fan tried to convince us that Apple was the greedy one in this biz. So much disinformation.
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  • pathfinderpathfinder Drive By Digital Shooter Posts: 13,926Super Moderators moderator
    edited December 28, 2004
    mercphoto wrote:
    Yup. I lost interest in this thread when some PC fan tried to convince us that Apple was the greedy one in this biz. So much disinformation.


    Its kind of like riding a motorcycle - If you have to explain it to someone, I guarentee they won't understand :D And I ride German iron, but the statement is true.
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  • DavidTODavidTO Mod Emeritus Posts: 19,160Administrators moderator
    edited December 28, 2004
    Just wondering...

    What ever happened to lukiedukie?
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  • DRebelGirlDRebelGirl Big grins Posts: 52Registered Users Big grins
    edited December 29, 2004
    I know LukieDukie....
    Lukie's computer was laid to rest unfortunately. Computer repair people did everything they could but the system was completely consumed by viruses.
    She and I are buisness partners and I have a MAC and was trying
    to lure her to my side (the transition was rough personally but I love my Powerbook nowiloveyou.gif).

    I was not sucessful in getting her to worship the MAC however. She got an awesome deal on a powerful DELL laptop and transfered all her orginal software onto it. This time though, she bought all the virus protection out there possible so hopefully it won't happen again. She spent less than half of what I spent and has a really nice machine.

    Just some observations on this controversial thread.....as I said before I love my Mac and as far as photo editing goes, it is the bomb! However, PC's have much more flexibility when it comes to software. There is just alot more out there excluding the PHotoshop series (that won't break the bank) for the PC user.

    I know my MAC was worth every penny but I wish it was as inexpensive as what Lukie's cost because then I could have used the $$ difference to add another 20D to our collection.

    The PC/MAC controversy continues.............


    DavidTO wrote:
    Just wondering...

    What ever happened to lukiedukie?
    Shoot first...ask questions later! :thumb
  • cmr164cmr164 Focus! I need Focus! Posts: 1,542Registered Users Major grins
    edited December 30, 2004
    DRebelGirl wrote:
    ...

    I was not sucessful in getting her to worship the MAC however. She got an awesome deal on a powerful DELL laptop and transfered all her orginal software onto it. This time though, she bought all the virus protection out there possible so hopefully it won't happen again. She spent less than half of what I spent and has a really nice machine.

    Just some observations on this controversial thread.....as I said before I love my Mac and as far as photo editing goes, it is the bomb! However, PC's have much more flexibility when it comes to software. There is just alot more out there excluding the PHotoshop series (that won't break the bank) for the PC user.

    I know my MAC was worth every penny but I wish it was as inexpensive as what Lukie's cost because then I could have used the $$ difference to add another 20D to our collection.

    The PC/MAC controversy continues.............
    I spent less than $1000 for a Mac notebook for my girlfriend last month and I am pretty sure the feature set knocks the socks off of any PC notebook at that price point.
    Charles Richmond IT & Security Consultant
    Operating System Design, Drivers, Software
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