This or This?? ginger 73

ginger_55ginger_55 Crazy Creek BabePosts: 8,416Registered Users Major grins
edited September 20, 2006 in The Dgrin Challenges
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Frame or no frame?????


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I prefer the frame, but then I always have, so I need a disinterested party's ideas, please..........

I cleaned up the dock. I hope the people there will appreciate it. Birds will probably just mess it up again, smile,

ginger (good luck all)


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Compromise here????? smile, mornin' g
After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.

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  • gusgus Major grins Posts: 16,209Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 17, 2006
    I like frames so i will say frame but i tell you what G ...thats a great shot clap.gif
  • ginger_55ginger_55 Crazy Creek Babe Posts: 8,416Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 17, 2006
    thanks, Gus!
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
  • ruttrutt Cave canem! Posts: 6,511Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 17, 2006
    Ginger, why do I keep having to tell you this? DON'T FRAME YOUR BEAUTIFUL SHOTS. All it does is distract from your great images. It adds nothing. Be confident of your shots. Let them sell themselves. This particular one will probably win this contest. Why turn it into a poster and add those redundant words and make the image smaller.
    If not now, when?
  • SloYerRollSloYerRoll Major grins Posts: 2,788Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 17, 2006
    Ginger, regardless of the frame or no frame dabate.
    It's a great shot.

    Good luck on the competition. I see you already posted.

    -Jon

    P.S. Your frames are pretty rad.
  • mushymushy snaphappy Posts: 643Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 17, 2006
    I've missed your framed photo's Ginger :cry
    Beautiful photo by the waythumb.gif
    May I take your picture?
  • JoanJoan Big grins Posts: 62Registered Users Big grins
    edited September 17, 2006
    When I looked at the shot with the frame, it drew my attention away from the beautiful photography -- I looked at the words, then paid attention to the large amount of white space. What I really wanted to savor was your excellent photo, Ginger. So, IMHO, no frame.
    ~ Joan

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  • queequegqueequeg lucky & grateful Posts: 70Registered Users Big grins
    edited September 17, 2006
    Your frame is quite beautiful -- but the shot is even more so. My two cents is no frame. Any time I can see more detail in a photo only enhances it.
  • judyfuessjudyfuess Major grins Posts: 259Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 18, 2006
    Ginger,

    I like both, framed and not framed - great shot!. As some people said, the frame draws attention to the frame first and then the photo. Maybe this could be remedied by using a smaller frame - just a thought.

    -judy
  • ian408ian408 More wag. Less Bark. Posts: 21,301Administrators moderator
    edited September 18, 2006
    I'm partial to the frame. Very nice shot.
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  • FlyingginaFlyinggina To see and not be seen Posts: 2,639Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 18, 2006
    I'm with Rutt on this one. I love the photo taking up most of my screen. The texture of the posts - the details on the birds - the overall feel of the beautifully composed shot are just wonderful. I prefer no distractions. That said, I think the photo will do just as well in the challenge either way. It is a strong entry.

    Did I mention that I really love this photograph?

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  • GaryBakkerGaryBakker Major grins Posts: 266Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 18, 2006
    1) No frame. (but your compromise submission with the minimal frame is OK)
    2) Great photo.


    I can see some of the spots where you cleaned up the pier. How about posting the original here so we can see how messy the birds really were?

    Did I remember to say "great photo"?
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  • ginger_55ginger_55 Crazy Creek Babe Posts: 8,416Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 18, 2006
    Here is the dirty dock, I posted it that way originally. I didn't work it up to enter and never gave the dock a thought.
    I was tired, in a hurry, and had never cleaned a dirty dock before. It was difficult finding clean areas to use, smile.
    I don't like, for myself, dirty beaches, so it only stands to reason that I would prefer a clean dock hanging in my house, smile again.
    thanks for the nice words!

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    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
  • KurtPrestonKurtPreston Major grins Posts: 285Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 18, 2006
    Without the frame, your entry is a wonderful meal prepared by a great chef. With the frame, it is a gourmet meal with a fine wine and wonderful diner companions. The large white frame did not distract me at all and enhanced my enjoyment of the photo.
  • ginger_55ginger_55 Crazy Creek Babe Posts: 8,416Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 18, 2006
    Without the frame, your entry is a wonderful meal prepared by a great chef. With the frame, it is a gourmet meal with a fine wine and wonderful diner companions. The large white frame did not distract me at all and enhanced my enjoyment of the photo.

    Thank you, Kurt! This frame issue is interesting.

    People do not seem to be neutral.

    I wonder if it has to do with the monitor?

    I like your analogies, smile,

    ginger
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
  • SciurusNigerSciurusNiger Runs with squirrels.... Posts: 256Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 19, 2006
    Framed is nice, in a tourist shop. But without it, the photo has much greater impact on one's screen.

    And it is a truly outstanding shot. With or without a clean dock!

    PJ.
    Garnered Images Photography

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  • cmasoncmason Old dog, new tricks Raleigh, NCPosts: 2,506Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 19, 2006
    Usually I do not care for frames. In this case, I think unframed it is a great photo, and agree with Rutt, as the frame can take a bit away from the photo.

    However, framed (the second one), it takes on a new purpose as art. Now it is more than a photo, and I think that is a good thing.

    Nice job,either way
  • jedgar8585jedgar8585 Big grins Posts: 22Registered Users Big grins
    edited September 19, 2006
    My vote is for no frames. I think the photo is beautiful without it.
  • ginger_55ginger_55 Crazy Creek Babe Posts: 8,416Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 19, 2006
    Just a thought: in the real world people are going to use some method to get the photo to stick on the wall, smile.

    It would be interesting to get perspectives on correct framing of photos.

    Mattes, yes, no, simple black frame, on canvas........ornate frame?

    Fitting the photo with the frame into surroundings, etc.

    Obviously, I know nothing on the subject.

    But it would be interesting to hear what others think/are doing in this area with their photos.

    Also, changes in ideas since.............whenever one last thought about this.

    ginger
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
  • PrezwoodzPrezwoodz Alaska Grinnin Posts: 1,147Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 19, 2006
    I really like this shot! :) I think it works great for the challenge too.

    As far as the border goes I think the large white border is too overpowering over the image and the other border is a little off too. I do like borders though! I think maybe if you just had the small white border...I dunno. But the shot is awesome!
  • athosathos Neurons Misfiring Posts: 237Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 19, 2006
    i think framing usually always increases the visual impact of the photo. just perhaps not as large of a frame.

    when people see photos in galleries, they are matted and mounted almost all the time. for a reason.

    photos usually look best inside some sort of frame, and not just in tourist shops, which is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard.
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  • JoanJoan Big grins Posts: 62Registered Users Big grins
    edited September 19, 2006
    cmason wrote:
    Usually I do not care for frames. In this case, I think unframed it is a great photo, and agree with Rutt, as the frame can take a bit away from the photo.

    However, framed (the second one), it takes on a new purpose as art. Now it is more than a photo, and I think that is a good thing.

    Nice job,either way
    I had written "no frames" earlier, yet I like the distinction presented by cmason above. When I put one of my photographs on a wall in my home, I wouldn't think of NOT putting it in a matte and frame. But just to enjoy the photography, I don't think frames are necessary (however, Ginger, I have rarely seen anyone frame a shot as well as you do). It does make me think about what kinds of mattes and frames really enhance a photo and what detracts.

    Also :D I had not even noticed the cleaned up dock until it was mentioned!
    ~ Joan

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  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 20, 2006
    What a very nice shot, Ginger. Love the depth and the pattern, and the long shadows are cool.

    Who cares about a frame?

    As you say, a print will be framed. I don't care if a web image is framed or not. I wouldn't make a print with the Photoshop frame on it tho, that would be redundant.
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  • mr peasmr peas Drag that shutter! Posts: 1,392Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 20, 2006
    frame-shlame. (wait..can we see it with a woodgrain frame mounted on a red wall? Laughing.gif)

    this is the digital realm folks, i suppose you can add digital frames but the photo will always speak louder than the area around it.

    i love that photo btw, if it doesnt make it to the top 10, then i dont know what went wrong!!


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  • B://B:// Autechre's Fan Posts: 274Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 20, 2006
    Frame, that´s all I have to say :D


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  • Ric GrupeRic Grupe Hampshire Prairie Posts: 9,522Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 20, 2006
    Wonderful shot, Ginger.thumb.gif

    I prefer the small frame.
  • ginger_55ginger_55 Crazy Creek Babe Posts: 8,416Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 20, 2006
    Thanks, you all. I am enjoying the "framing thoughts".

    And on that line.............

    I got an exciting notice yesterday from the "guys" at smugmug that someone had bought an 11 X 14 photo from mewings.gif , and you all know I NEVER use emoticons, but that is exciting.

    What is scary is they bought the one with the small border like I did for the challenge entry.

    I usually work them up both ways. And they can be difficult if even I am not carefully checking, as to which is which, on smugmug as they have their own white "border" around everything, looks good, too..

    So, for public view, I put out the ones w/o a border. Except in this case the two got separated, just that AM or whatever............and the person bought the wrong one.

    I can tell because these nice people at smugmug let me know which photo was bought, and I could see right there the words "border".

    I hope it doesn't ruin this person's print. Since I can't do anything about it, I have hoped that out of mind, etc........I am just not worrying.

    But this discussion reminded me of that. By making my borders smaller and less objectionable.................someone bought one with a border, and I hope it is OK. (It is a small border, enlarge the matte?)

    smile, ginger
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
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