LCD's viewsonic, Dell or what

magicpic · April 18, 2007

For right now I have decided to use my pc for pp but need a good LCD I have read on the forum about viewsonic vx2235wm, dell ultrasharp 2005fpw or the 2007 wfd and suggestion please janis

dogwood · April 18, 2007

magicpic wrote:

For right now I have decided to use my pc for pp but need a good LCD I have read on the forum about viewsonic vx2235wm, dell ultrasharp 2005fpw or the 2007 wfd and suggestion please janis

I have a Viewsonic pro series that has been kind to me (and accurate) over the past year. Beware of the non-pro series... I have one of those from Viewsonic too and it's shifted and darkened significantly. It's used as a palatte/second screen at this point.

Don't know about the other brands though.

jdryan3 · April 18, 2007

I have the Dell 2405 WFP and like it very much, with the embedded flash card reader. But it DEFINTELY needed to be calibrated when I got it. I used the Colorvision Syder 2

digismile · April 18, 2007

Hi Janis,

I have both the Dell 20" Ultrasharp (2007FP) and the 24" Ultrasharp Wide Monitor (2407FPW). I am extremely happy with both monitors. A key feature that I like on the ultrasharp series is the sliding height adjustment, and if your video card supports it, they also turn sideways (portrait mode). My wife leaves her's this way all the time. They both have built in USB hubs as well. The 24" has an added card reader(s).

The only issue I would point out on the monitors is that it is important to have a video card that supports the optimal resolution for the monitor. For example, on a regular aspect 20" Ultrasharp, the max (usually optimal) resolution would be 1600 x 1200. The wide aspect 20" Ultrasharp would be 1650 x 1050. If your card doesn't support this resolution, the display will work, but it looks either stretched or compressed, depending on the video card's selected resolution.

Hope this is of help.

Regards,

magicpic · April 18, 2007

digismile wrote:

Hi Janis,

I have both the Dell 20" Ultrasharp (2007FP) and the 24" Ultrasharp Wide Monitor (2407FPW). I am extremely happy with both monitors. A key feature that I like on the ultrasharp series is the sliding height adjustment, and if your video card supports it, they also turn sideways (portrait mode). My wife leaves her's this way all the time. They both have built in USB hubs as well. The 24" has an added card reader(s).

The only issue I would point out on the monitors is that it is important to have a video card that supports the optimal resolution for the monitor. For example, on a regular aspect 20" Ultrasharp, the max (usually optimal) resolution would be 1600 x 1200. The wide aspect 20" Ultrasharp would be 1650 x 1050. If your card doesn't support this resolution, the display will work, but it looks either stretched or compressed, depending on the video card's selected resolution.

Hope this is of help.

Regards,

did you get the ultrasharp 2007wfp or the 2007fp and my video card is a Radeon 9200 256mb........how do I find out if this video card will work with the dell>

digismile · April 19, 2007

Here's the spec's on the card:

http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon9200/radeon9200/specs.html

Looks like it supports 1600 x 1200, but not 1680 x 1050. You might want to check a local retailer or ask Dell what they carry. You can phone them, email, or chat on line.

David_S85 · April 19, 2007

I'm on a ViewSonic 23" VP231wb, about a year and a half old, and it's held up well. The newer models are better still, and cheaper. You can't go back after working with 1920 x 1200 or higher.

Newsy · April 19, 2007

Fop the best colour accuracy and the least shift of gamma/brightness/colour when you move your eyes off center, try to buy a monitor that uses a S-IPS panel or a S-PVA panel. There are some new A-MVA just entering the market that are said to be good as well. In very general terms, stay away from TN panels (as found in the vx2235wm) for photo editing.

The Dell's you mention are often commented on as being pretty good for their price but the past year or so people have been posting that they don't know what panel technology will be received - what many are calling the "Dell Lottery".

Otherwise some good websites for reviews and info:

http://www.behardware.com/html/cat/22/
- check out the images in the review that will show the shift in the images' colour when viewed from various angles.

for example... http://www.behardware.com/articles/643-5/19-lcd-survey-of-inexpensive-and-quality-screens.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-parameters.html

http://www.trustedreviews.com/displays/

to find S-IPS or S-PVA monitors use this site...
http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php
- it is sometimes out of date as mfg's change panels

http://www.prad.de/en/

Lots of posts here... http://www.hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78

good guide... http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1745344

travbomb · April 20, 2007

Forgot about NEC
First of all you gotta stick with S-IPS. Secondly if you want to be able to do extensive color calibration I would look at a display where you can calibrate the internal LUT of the monitor. Take a look at the NEC LCD2490WUXi-BK and LCD2690WUXi-BK. Both of these units have 12 bit LUT with gamma correction, color comp and 4 year warranties. The 26 inch also covers 93% of the adobe RGB whcih is about 20% hihger then normal LCD's.

claudermilk · April 20, 2007

You know, I really love those posts that tell you to do imaging you HAVE to have only an S-IPS panel on a cost-no-object unit. So we jump from questions about $300-400 screens to a suggestion for a $1500 screen? Let's get real; most of us have a budget and that $300-400 is pushing it.

I've been eyeing the VG series from Viewsonic. I use one (VG900b) at work & it's been pretty darn nice. Seems like a middle ground between the budget VX and all-out Pro.

Newsy · April 20, 2007

I use a Samsung 215TW widescreen 16:10 1680x1050 S-PVA panel monitor and it works well for me. I'm sure it can be found in the US for under $450.

Some S-IPS monitors to consider are the HP LP2065, NEC LCD2070NX. NOTE!!! there are 3 versions of the 2070 - the 2070VX and 2070WNX are TN panels. Both of these should be under $400 USD. Some HP buyers have reported that HP has recently changed the panel from the S-IPS to a different panel, possibly A-MVA.

Calibrating the monitor is very important. I surfed the web until I found the calibrated settings of another user as I was not willing to spend another $200 to $300 for a hardware calibrator. Maybe later but not today. First I used the Samsung supplied "Natural Color" utility to set RGB gamma's and then I compared my on screen colors to targets and used the following web sites to fine tune my gamma which I feel is a critical step in the calibration. By eye isn't he most accurate but likely better than the default settings.

http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/
- note the left side link to "Monitor Gamma"

http://www.photoscientia.co.uk/Gamma.htm
- scroll down and note the links to the "Gamagic" gamma tests

http://lcdresource.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=5&id=22&Itemid=39

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/monitor_calibration.htm

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html#QuickGamma

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/calibrating.htm

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dogwood · April 20, 2007

claudermilk wrote:

You know, I really love those posts that tell you to do imaging you HAVE to have only an S-IPS panel on a cost-no-object unit. So we jump from questions about $300-400 screens to a suggestion for a $1500 screen? Let's get real; most of us have a budget and that $300-400 is pushing it.

I've been eyeing the VG series from Viewsonic. I use one (VG900b) at work & it's been pretty darn nice. Seems like a middle ground between the budget VX and all-out Pro.

Yeah, I agree. Maybe if I shot for Vogue, I'd have a $1500 monitor. But those guys don't do their own retouching, so probably not even then!

From what I understand, the Viewsonic pro series has more calibration options than the VG and VX series. I have a couple of older VX screens, and I wouldn't recommend them at all for photo work. The good news is the LCD technology has developed so much that even many of the cheaper monitors are pretty good these days.

Over on the SSU website, there's a list of monitors they recommend. You have to register, but it's free (and a good resource, in my opinion):

http://www.shootsmarter.com/monitorcentral.html

Newsy · April 20, 2007

From http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php ...

Here are the listings for Viewsonics PRO series....

ViewSonic VP171b-1 has a 17 inch 16 ms TN (AUO M170EN05) panel.

ViewSonic VP171b-2 has a 17 inch 8 ms TN (AUO M170EG01 V0) panel.

ViewSonic VP171s-1 has a 17 inch 16 ms TN (AUO M170EN05) panel.

ViewSonic VP171s-2 has a 17 inch 8 ms TN (AUO M170EG01 V0) panel.

ViewSonic VP181b has a 18 inch 30 ms IPS panel.

ViewSonic VP191b-1 has a 19 inch 25 ms P-MVA (Fujitsu FLC48SXC8V-01) panel.

ViewSonic VP191b-2 has a 19 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M190EN03) panel.

ViewSonic VP191s-1 has a 19 inch 25 ms P-MVA (Fujitsu FLC48SXC8V-01) panel.

ViewSonic VP191s-2 has a 19 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M190EN03) panel.

ViewSonic VP2000s has a 20 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U04) panel.

ViewSonic VP201b has a 20 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U04) panel.

ViewSonic VP201s has a 20 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U04) panel.

ViewSonic VP2030b has a 20 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M201UN02 V5) panel.

ViewSonic VP211b has a 21 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung LTM213U4-L04) panel.

ViewSonic VP2130b has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM213U6) panel.

ViewSonic VP230mb has a 23 inch 25 ms P-MVA (Fujitsu FLC59UXC8V) panel.

ViewSonic VP231wb (Widescreen) has a 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02) panel.

ViewSonic VP2330wb (widescreen) has a 23 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M230UW01 V0) panel.

ViewSonic VP720 has a 17 inch 4 ms (g2g) TN panel.

Viewsonic VP730 has a 17 inch 8 ms TN panel.

ViewSonic VP912b has a 19 inch 12 ms TN (AUO M190EN04 V1) panel.

ViewSonic VP912s has a 19 inch 12 ms TN (AUO M190EN04 V1) panel.

ViewSonic VP920 has a 19 inch 4 ms (g2g) TN panel.

ViewSonic VP920 has a 19 inch 4 ms (g2g) TN panel.

ViewSonic VP920b has a 19 inch 4 ms (g2g) TN panel.

ViewSonic VP930 has a 19 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M190EG01 V0) panel.

and the ViewSonic VX2235wm (widescreen) has a 22 inch 5 ms TN panel.

Newsy · April 20, 2007

well.....

As for the shootsmarter ratings, don't waste your time going there if you are on a budget of $300 to 400.

All of the monitors rated have a stated street price well over your budget figure. The top rated monitor was an Eizo with an overall rating for screen to print matching of 8.5 at a stated street cost of $2650. The Viewsonic VP2130B is rated at 5.5 and their stated street price is $900. That is not the street price you'll see today for the VP2130B. The review is old, having been posted in June 2006.

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Newsy · April 21, 2007

magicpic/janis....

HP LP2065 $359.99 after rebate $299 Open Box
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=lp2065&x=0&y=0
- 1600x1200
- recently some users report receiving A-MVA panels rather than the S-IPS that made this monitor so popular.

NEC LCD2070NX $439.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=lcd2070nx&x=0&y=0
- 1600x1200 S-IPS

NEC 20WMGX2 $399 Open Box
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=20WMGX2&x=0&y=0
- glass screen, excellent for high contrast, blacker blacks, but.... reflections! Use in a darkened room.
- 1680x1050 S-IPS

Spotted this HP F2105 $349
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2855815&CatId=1410
- uses the same S-PVA panel as these...

Eizo CE210W (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo CE210W-K (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo S2110W (Widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo S2110W-K (Widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

HP F2105 (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

HP L2105 (Widescreen) has a 21 inch 16 ms S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

NEC LCD2190UXp has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

NEC LCD2190UXp-BK has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Samsung 215TW (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

review> http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_f2105/4505-3174_7-31453816.html
review> http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review3330.html
review> http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review-hp-pavilion-f2105.html#Introduction

One thing you will have to watch for is how your video card will connect to these monitors. Most of these have standard "old" analog VGA connectors and some have only DVI ports (I'm thinking that with the HP LP2065 this may be the case - but they supply an adapter), other have both the analog VGA port and the newer digital DVI port.

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magicpic · April 23, 2007

Newsy wrote:

magicpic/janis....

HP LP2065 $359.99 after rebate $299 Open Box
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=lp2065&x=0&y=0
- 1600x1200
- recently some users report receiving A-MVA panels rather than the S-IPS that made this monitor so popular.

NEC LCD2070NX $439.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=lcd2070nx&x=0&y=0
- 1600x1200 S-IPS

NEC 20WMGX2 $399 Open Box
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=20WMGX2&x=0&y=0
- glass screen, excellent for high contrast, blacker blacks, but.... reflections! Use in a darkened room.
- 1680x1050 S-IPS

Spotted this HP F2105 $349
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2855815&CatId=1410

- uses the same S-PVA panel as these...
Eizo CE210W (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo CE210W-K (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo S2110W (Widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo S2110W-K (Widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

HP F2105 (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

HP L2105 (Widescreen) has a 21 inch 16 ms S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

NEC LCD2190UXp has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

NEC LCD2190UXp-BK has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Samsung 215TW (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.
review> http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_f2105/4505-3174_7-31453816.html
review> http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review3330.html
review> http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review-hp-pavilion-f2105.html#Introduction

One thing you will have to watch for is how your video card will connect to these monitors. Most of these have standard "old" analog VGA connectors and some have only DVI ports (I'm thinking that with the HP LP2065 this may be the case - but they supply an adapter), other have both the analog VGA port and the newer digital DVI port.

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Newsy, I want a 20" wide with the 1680x1050 and it sounds like I want the I-IPS panel besides the NEC 20wmgx2 what do you think of the Dell 2007wfp ? I have a huey would that calibrate the NEC On my computer I have a gva and a dvi port . So the glass glossy screen better to edit photos on? I am a newbie and want to make sure that I am buying the right thing. hope to hear.....widget/janis

dogwood · April 23, 2007

Newsy wrote:

well.....

As for the shootsmarter ratings, don't waste your time going there if you are on a budget of $300 to 400.

All of the monitors rated have a stated street price well over your budget figure. The top rated monitor was an Eizo with an overall rating for screen to print matching of 8.5 at a stated street cost of $2650. The Viewsonic VP2130B is rated at 5.5 and their stated street price is $900. That is not the street price you'll see today for the VP2130B. The review is old, having been posted in June 2006.

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Yeah, I knew by the prices it was dated. Just posting it as a resource. I personally have not had much problem matching prints to my Viewsonic-- most of my problems are printer related (inkjets like to clog!).

Newsy · April 23, 2007

I have not seen the Dell or the 2070. I have seen the HP LP2065, the NEC 20WGMX2, various Gateways, all the Apples, some Acer's, several of the new 22's, the Samsung 214T and 244T, and others.

One comment..... for the number of Dell 2007 owners out there, I find the amount of complaints to be relatively low.

As to Huey, I'm not the person to ask about that. I'm still a few months away from buying an EyeOne or Spyder. Most of my photos are PP'd for my relatives to view, all of who have not a clue about calibrating. I get so darned frustrated visiting them and viewing online galleries on their systems - too dark or too bright or 800x600 resolution on a monitor that is native 1280x1024.

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magicpic · April 23, 2007

Newsy wrote:

I have not seen the Dell or the 2070. I have seen the HP LP2065, the NEC 20WGMX2, various Gateways, all the Apples, some Acer's, several of the new 22's, the Samsung 214T and 244T, and others.

One comment..... for the number of Dell 2007 owners out there, I find the amount of complaints to be relatively low.

As to Huey, I'm not the person to ask about that. I'm still a few months away from buying an EyeOne or Spyder. Most of my photos are PP'd for my relatives to view, all of who have not a clue about calibrating. I get so darned frustrated visiting them and viewing online galleries on their systems - too dark or too bright or 800x600 resolution on a monitor that is native 1280x1024.

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thanks for your response I think I am going to look at a NEC or Dell...widget

Sumatra · May 1, 2007

travbomb wrote:

First of all you gotta stick with S-IPS.

Not true.

Eizo S2411W-WS (widecreen) has a 24 inch 6 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2) panel.

Eizo CE240W (widescreen) has a 24 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2) panel.

Personally I just bought a Dell 2407wfp. I'm really happy with the color. It may not be perfect, but it's quite good. The only problem I've seen with te 2407 (not sure ont he smaller models) is that it's extremely bright. Turn the brightness down though and it calibrates well.

As for panel type, just stay away from the TN panels. They are typically (I don't know about always though) 6-bit. I use a Samsung 204b as my second monitor. It's fairly obvious that it's a lesser quality monitor compared to the Dell.

LCD's viewsonic, Dell or what

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