Stupid Canon 10D question

GraphyFotoz · April 25, 2007

Ok on my 10D in the menu there is "Perameters" setting .....
Standard
Adobe RGB
Set 1-3
Set up

Which should it be set on?

Was on set 1

Working with Photoshop should it be set on Adobe RGB?
Feel like an idiot cuz I have never played with menu settings much. :rolleyes

Mike02 · April 25, 2007

GraphyFotoz wrote:

Ok on my 10D in the menu there is "Perameters" setting .....
Standard
Adobe RGB
Set 1-3
Set up

Which should it be set on?

Was on set 1

Working with Photoshop should it be set on Adobe RGB?
Feel like an idiot cuz I have never played with menu settings much.

Adobe rgb is a collapsed colorspace, it gives you a smaller range of colors than standard (assuming thats canon speak for sRGB), unless you open it with photoshop and expand them. For the most part, unless you want to do pp to every image you take, standard is generally better.

If you want, you can take a few pictures on each setting, then when you view them in photoshop, decide which one you like better :P.

GraphyFotoz · April 25, 2007

Mike02 wrote:

Adobe rgb is a collapsed colorspace, it gives you a smaller range of colors than standard (assuming thats canon speak for sRGB), unless you open it with photoshop and expand them. For the most part, unless you want to do pp to every image you take, standard is generally better.

If you want, you can take a few pictures on each setting, then when you view them in photoshop, decide which one you like better :P.

Thanx Mike!
I kinda figured Set 1 wasn't right.
Now that I have much better glass my camera shouldn't hafta compensate as much if at all for sharpness and such.

ziggy53 · April 25, 2007

GraphyFotoz wrote:

Ok on my 10D in the menu there is "Perameters" setting .....
Standard
Adobe RGB
Set 1-3
Set up

Which should it be set on?

Was on set 1

Working with Photoshop should it be set on Adobe RGB?
Feel like an idiot cuz I have never played with menu settings much.

How you set these depends at least partly on how you intend to use the images.

For printing and Internet, the final image mode should be sRGB. There are those who claim some benefit by shooting in Adobe RGB, processing in Adobe RGB, and then converting and saving in sRGB. It really does depend upon what you shoot to see any improvement at all.

I suggest staying in "Standard" for now, and then reading about the advantages and problems associated with Adobe RGB.

When you shoot for money, or you want the ultimate color control, you need to shoot RAW and then process that into whatever color gamut is right for the application.

More information:

About the Parameters themselves:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos10d/page10.asp

About sRGB vs AdobeRGB
http://www.smugmug.com/help/srgb-versus-adobe-rgb-1998
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=36258
http://www.jbs-blog.com/?p=85
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=11130
http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/cp/olympus/technology/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000734256

ziggy53 · April 25, 2007

Mike02 wrote:

Adobe rgb is a collapsed colorspace, it gives you a smaller range of colors than standard (assuming thats canon speak for sRGB), unless you open it with photoshop and expand them. For the most part, unless you want to do pp to every image you take, standard is generally better.

If you want, you can take a few pictures on each setting, then when you view them in photoshop, decide which one you like better :P.

Mike,

Since AdobeRGB can contain more red and green channel information than sRGB, most people claim that it is "more" comprehensive than sRGB. The truth is closer to the explanation at this link:

http://www.smugmug.com/help/srgb-versus-adobe-rgb-1998

GraphyFotoz · April 26, 2007

I found this on another message board I'm on.
Gonna try it and see how it works?

VELVIA FILM STYLE PARAMETERS:
Contrast +2
Sharpness +1
Saturation +2
Color Tone 0

digismile · April 26, 2007

The Parameters section of your 10D setup allows you to preset three in-camera processing defaults that each have their own settings for contrast, sharpness, saturation and colortone. Each one of these processing parameters is set on a sliding scale from -2 to +2.

This means that you can change the way you want your camera to process your photos under different lighting conditions.

Selecting STANDARD from this menu, resets all settings for Set1, Set2, & Set3 back to zero for all parameters (i.e. makes them all the same again). So you will not see any difference between the 3.

Note, these affect your jpeg images only. If you shoot RAW, which has many advantages, these settings have no effect.

BTW, you can see this all on page 56-57 of your owners manual. (The manual can be downloaded from the Canon website, which is what I did!)

Hope this helps,

claudermilk · April 26, 2007

ziggy53 wrote:

Mike,

Since AdobeRGB can contain more red and green channel information than sRGB, most people claim that it is "more" comprehensive than sRGB. The truth is closer to the explanation at this link:

http://www.smugmug.com/help/srgb-versus-adobe-rgb-1998

Which boils down to "don't bother with AdobeRGB." Since the net and vast majority of printers work in the sRGB colorspace, working in aRGB just opens the door to incorrectly-profiled images that turn out flat. I cannot count the number of threads over the past few years that start with "my images look really flat...why?" and end up with the questioner finally admitting to using aRGB. IMHO it's more trouble than it's worth. Of course, shooting RAW it makes no difference what the camera is set at since you pick the color space whne converting. So, save yourself the headache & leave it in sRGB.

Mike02 · April 26, 2007

claudermilk wrote:

Which boils down to "don't bother with AdobeRGB." Since the net and vast majority of printers work in the sRGB colorspace, working in aRGB just opens the door to incorrectly-profiled images that turn out flat. I cannot count the number of threads over the past few years that start with "my images look really flat...why?" and end up with the questioner finally admitting to using aRGB. IMHO it's more trouble than it's worth. Of course, shooting RAW it makes no difference what the camera is set at since you pick the color space whne converting. So, save yourself the headache & leave it in sRGB.

Haha, thanks Chris; I've been trying to wrap my mind around that one for about the past ten minutes lol :P

Mike02 · April 26, 2007

ziggy53 wrote:

Mike,

Since AdobeRGB can contain more red and green channel information than sRGB, most people claim that it is "more" comprehensive than sRGB. The truth is closer to the explanation at this link:

http://www.smugmug.com/help/srgb-versus-adobe-rgb-1998

Thanks for the clairification Ziggy

Mike02 · April 26, 2007

GraphyFotoz wrote:

Thanx Mike!
I kinda figured Set 1 wasn't right.
Now that I have much better glass my camera shouldn't hafta compensate as much if at all for sharpness and such.

Np Graphy, Im glad I could help :P.

damonff · May 4, 2007

I only shoot in Adobe. Just a voice in the wilderness...and I don't shoot RAW.

pathfinder · May 4, 2007

Graphy,
The only people who should shoot in Adobe are those who know they need Adobe RGB color space and also know precisely WHY they need Adobe RGB color space.

If you print fine art gallery prints yourself on a 8-10 ink archival printer and profile the paper yourself, you may be able to exploit the larger gamut of Adobe RGB,( but you may have to be more careful of posterization. )

If you don't understand what I just said, you will be much happier in sRGB.:D - that is the color space my images are profiled with after processing in Photoshop.

Addendum:

It has been suggested to me that I mis-addressed this post to GraphyFotoz, instead of Damonf, but I did not. I was addressing this post to GraphyFotoz who was asking about Adobe RGB versus sRGB for his 10D in the initial post in this thread.

I assume that Damonf knows, and understands the significance, of his choice to shoot in Adobe RGB. There is no single right or wrong answer in this regard. The right answer is the answer that is better for you and your photographic needs, and what you intend to do with your images finally.

I prefer to shoot RAW myself, and bring the photo into Photoshop as a 16 bit ProPhoto color space image. I will finally save it as an 8bit jpg in sRGB at a quality level of 10. But that is just me.

damonff · May 4, 2007

We are of the same mind Pathfinder. It really depends on the person. You really can't say that sRGB is the best...I mean, you can, but you'd be wrong since it's not the best for me. It's totally subjective.

Aviator327 · November 10, 2007

Liking my 10D and no more upstate NY winters for me.

Stupid Canon 10D question

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