Assignment #37: Fill Flash

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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 1, 2007
    Antonio,
    late entries
    Sorry, miss again.
    This is clearly not the case when the fill flash is needed.
    The foreground object already has enough light as it is (and the light is coming from the side, which is always good), flash does not do anything except flattenting the picture. ne_nau.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited June 1, 2007
    Nikolai wrote:
    Sorry, miss again.
    This is clearly not the case when the fill flash is needed.
    The foreground object already has enough light as it is (and the light is coming from the side, which is always good), flash does not do anything except flattenting the picture. ne_nau.gif

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  • leaforteleaforte Registered Users Posts: 1,948 Major grins
    edited June 2, 2007
    Ok. I need the practice, so I'll try. Thanks for the direction.

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    INFO: 1st photo: Av Mode 1/200 F/5.6 ISO 200
    2nd Photo: Same settings, with flash TTL from Canon EX 580
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 2, 2007
    leaforte wrote:
    Ok. I need the practice, so I'll try. Thanks for the direction.
    INFO: 1st photo: Av Mode 1/200 F/5.6 ISO 200
    2nd Photo: Same settings, with flash TTL from Canon EX 580

    Thank you for the entry!
    I think you overdid the flash a bit. Fill flash is almost never used in ETTL mode. In your case you need a very low and very concetrated beam without the light spill. Switch to manual and start with like 1/128. You can also control the "spread" by selecting the "focal length".
    HTH
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Northern MonkeyNorthern Monkey Registered Users Posts: 25 Big grins
    edited June 2, 2007
    Been trying this for a while, but the first one that came out right here. The non flash one isnt in focus tho. Taken today at the airport, in an R-22 helicopter

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    Flash used: No
    Focal length: 31.0mm (35mm equivalent: 50mm)
    CCD width: 22.17mm
    Exposure time: 0.017 s (1/60)
    Aperture: f/5.6
    ISO equiv.: 100
    Exposure bias: 0.33
    Whitebalance: Manual
    Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)

    and

    Flash used: Yes (manual)
    Focal length: 31.0mm (35mm equivalent: 50mm)
    CCD width: 22.17mm
    Exposure time: 0.0100 s (1/100)
    Aperture: f/5.6
    ISO equiv.: 100
    Exposure bias: 0.33
    Whitebalance: Manual
    Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 2, 2007
    Been trying this for a while, but the first one that came out right here. The non flash one isnt in focus tho. Taken today at the airport, in an R-22 helicopter
    Flash used: No
    Focal length: 31.0mm (35mm equivalent: 50mm)
    CCD width: 22.17mm
    Exposure time: 0.017 s (1/60)
    Aperture: f/5.6
    ISO equiv.: 100
    Exposure bias: 0.33
    Whitebalance: Manual
    Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)

    and

    Flash used: Yes (manual)
    Focal length: 31.0mm (35mm equivalent: 50mm)
    CCD width: 22.17mm
    Exposure time: 0.0100 s (1/100)
    Aperture: f/5.6
    ISO equiv.: 100
    Exposure bias: 0.33
    Whitebalance: Manual
    Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)

    Thank you, nice entries! thumb.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited June 3, 2007
    Out of date
    One fill flash and another one straight up with fill flash.
    Both without the "previous shots".

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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 3, 2007
    Antonio,
    One fill flash and another one straight up with fill flash.
    Both without the "previous shots".
    Good usage of the Fill Flash. thumb.gif
    Too bad they are not valid complete entries :-P mwink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • dogwooddogwood Registered Users Posts: 2,572 Major grins
    edited June 4, 2007
    Shot this last night. Yeah, there's a weed or something in the lower left-- I'll probably clone that out in the final image. But for purposes of fill-flash, it shouldn't matter. :D Also, trying out a new watermark, still needs a little tweaking.

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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 4, 2007
    dogwood wrote:
    Shot this last night. Yeah, there's a weed or something in the lower left-- I'll probably clone that out in the final image. But for purposes of fill-flash, it shouldn't matter. :D Also, trying out a new watermark, still needs a little tweaking.

    Pete,

    thank you, very good entry! thumb.gif

    I think you overdid flash a bit, probably need to tone it down.

    One thing that can be very useful in such cases is to have flash bracket exposures (I know 580EX supports it) deal.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited June 13, 2007
    A friend of mines borrowed me a Sony DSC-W30.
    Some test shots with fill flash.
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 13, 2007
    Antonio,
    A friend of mines borrowed me a Sony DSC-W30.
    Some test shots with fill flash.
    Good one, thank you!
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited June 24, 2007
    Miguel
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    A very good example. Sorry, but I did not shoot a picture without the flash. It was useless. :D
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  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited June 25, 2007
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 25, 2007
    three boys on a beach

    Thank you!thumb.gif
    I can see some fill flash effect, but in this particular case I do like the original more. With their faces towrds the camera the end result could have been different... ne_nau.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited June 25, 2007
    Nikolai wrote:
    Thank you!thumb.gif
    I can see some fill flash effect, but in this particular case I do like the original more. With their faces towrds the camera the end result could have been different... ne_nau.gif
    May be you mean the composition also.
    This one is better, isn't it ?
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 25, 2007
    May be you mean the composition also.
    This one is better, isn't it ?

    I like this one better, but I still think in this case the fill flash is not needed, since I don't think I'm interested in their t-shirts back graphic design.
    Again, with their faces towards the camera it would be a totally different story.
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited June 26, 2007
    Nikolai wrote:
    I like this one better, but I still think in this case the fill flash is not needed, since I don't think I'm interested in their t-shirts back graphic design.
    Again, with their faces towards the camera it would be a totally different story.
    Nikolai.

    The photo is inserted in a set of various refering to the competition.
    Some are available here for the moment.
    In fact I was using the 70 200 at the time and, in the one refered above, I should have used the flash.
    It's my son and my daughter in law. Can you imagine this picture with a fill flash ? It would be a must.
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    But the action just happened then and I was not prepared.eek7.gif

    Later, they will go to the Sports gallery.

    They were the jury and the proof was going on in front of them.

    So, I was interested in their t-shirts and the competition and not in their faces.:D
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  • emmalouemmalou Registered Users Posts: 412 Major grins
    edited June 27, 2007
    I am learning so much....bowdown.gifbowdown.gif
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    ( and realizing how much I have to get rid of down here!)ne_nau.gif
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited June 27, 2007
    emmalou wrote:
    I am learning so much....bowdown.gifbowdown.gif
    ( and realizing how much I have to get rid of down here!)ne_nau.gif

    Tank you, nice entry! thumb.gif
    Next time try the diffuse the flash from the ceiling. There are many ways to do that, business card would be the easiest/cheapest.
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • emmalouemmalou Registered Users Posts: 412 Major grins
    edited June 28, 2007
    Nikolai wrote:
    Tank you, nice entry! thumb.gif
    Next time try the diffuse the flash from the ceiling. There are many ways to do that, business card would be the easiest/cheapest.
    I will.thanks.
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited July 8, 2007
    A friend of mines brought me a ST-E2 from Macau for a better price than in Portugal.
    It was very easy to start shooting with it.
    1. st - No flash
    2. ed - Fill flash on top of the camera
    3. ed - Fill flash from the right side. There is a shadow on the wood. I don't like it. eek7.gif
    More will come with better quality when I practice more.
    This equipment looks very interesting to use.

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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited July 8, 2007
    A friend of mines brought me a ST-E2 from Macau for a better price than in Portugal.
    It was very easy to start shooting with it.
    1. st - No flash
    2. ed - Fill flash on top of the camera
    3. ed - Fill flash from the right side. There is a shadow on the wood. I don't like it. eek7.gif
    More will come with better quality when I practice more.
    This equipment looks very interesting to use.
    Thank you! thumb.gif

    For the record, I never heard of the fill flash to be on a side. The only possible scenario I can imagine for it to be if you're dealing with the very unusual lighting setup, when the forground/background are already at an angle to the camera and lit at an angle too, in which case your fill light probably also should be at an (opposite) angle.
    Yet this would be quite an unusual situation that require much more special lighing anyway. The fill flash is a general term for a far more typical "dark fg/light bg" situation and shoult be located close to the camera. Also, it should be low enough to NOT create any noticeable shadows. It's primary purpose to remove the shadows that coming from the backlighting, that's all.

    In case you didn't get "lighting science and magic" book yet - I do recommend it.deal.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited July 9, 2007
    Thank you for the lines you wrote about this.
    I would like to live here my concept of fill flash.
    Which, in fact is not much different from yours. :D

    My concept is based on this article and I quote:
    "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]... flash can also be used in bright locations or in daylight to lighten shadows, reduce the harsh contrast of full sunlight or brighten up dull images without being the primary light source for the photo. This is called “fill flash” or “fill-in flash,” though the latter term’s more commonly used in the UK. And it’s often a source of surprise for non-photographers, who don’t expect to see photographers using flash units outdoors on sunny days in brightly lit settings. In such situations the fill flash is being used as a sort of portable reflector - shining a little extra light in certain areas." [/SIZE][/FONT]according to http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-f...html#fillflash

    In fact, I see no problem to call Fill Flash a situation where we try to iliminate/fill the shadows, placing the 2.ed or the #.ed source of light wherever we hope the best results to be produced.

    Another example with the ST-E2 and flash outside ( not attached to ) the camera.
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    These are just experiments.
    The last two pictures, are both fill flash photos. I know you agree with me.
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  • z_28z_28 Registered Users Posts: 956 Major grins
    edited August 10, 2007
    First thing - very sorry - pics aren't made yesterday :cry
    But I can explain - it's extremely hard to lease such powerful
    fill-in flash on daily bases rolleyes1.gif

    One extra bad thing - there are 3 pics - not required pair.

    First - full flash power
    Second - cut flash power
    Third - fill flash OFF

    1st
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    2nd
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    3rd
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    All taken with 10D handheld, EF 20-35/2.8L,
    400ISO, f3.5, 1st 1/13s, 2nd/3rd 1/50s

    Flash - Speedlite 65000000000EX wings.gif
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    XTi, G9, 16-35/2.8L, 100-300USM, 70-200/4L, 19-35, 580EX II, CP-E3, 500/8 ...
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited August 10, 2007
    z_28 wrote:
    First thing - very sorry - pics aren't made yesterday :cry
    But I can explain - it's extremely hard to lease such powerful
    fill-in flash on daily bases rolleyes1.gif

    One extra bad thing - there are 3 pics - not required pair.

    First - full flash power
    Second - cut flash power
    Third - fill flash OFF
    ....
    Flash - Speedlite 65000000000EX wings.gif

    ROFLMAOrolleyes1.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited August 10, 2007
    Nikolai wrote:
    ROFLMAOrolleyes1.gif

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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited August 10, 2007
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited August 12, 2007
    Nikolai wrote:
    IASAI :D

    I post now a situation where the fill-in flash is not an issue.
    I like far better the picture without flash.
    It was off camera at our right.

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  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited August 12, 2007
    But here is one that the fill flash, very subtitle, is an advantage !
    No pic without. Sorry.

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