Bug or Feature Request: Preserve EXIF

leadZERO · August 11, 2008

I just noticed that the EXIF details are not preserved in watermarked resizes. While it can be viewed on SmugMug, if you use one of the URLs to post to another forum there is not metadata. EXIF would be nice, but IPTC copyright details are a must.

Andy · August 11, 2008

Hi, it's not a bug. Here's more on how to post to forums and such, for those that need it:

http://wiki.smugmug.com/display/SmugMug/How+To+See+Exif

I'd love for certain IPTC copyright info to be there as well. It's not, presently, all of this is for performance reasons. Of course, your originals retain that.

Allen · August 11, 2008

Did they remove the EXIF data from generated sizes or just recently stopped
adding it? The last few days new photos in new galleries do not have the
data embedded in the photo. It was there in the past. Last preserved data
one in this gallery was 7-23-08. Every photo with a watermark was grabbed,
usually in LB, by sliding a large size to the desktop with right click temporally off.

Not referring to originals but generated sizes, large in this case, which I steal
from myself

and upload to another site so the watermark is present and
until recently the exif data.

ivar · August 12, 2008

Allen wrote:

Did they remove the EXIF data from generated sizes or just recently stopped
adding it? The last few days new photos in new galleries do not have the
data embedded in the photo. It was there in the past. Last preserved data
one in this gallery was 7-23-08. Every photo with a watermark was grabbed,
usually in LB, by sliding a large size to the desktop with right click temporally off.

Not referring to originals but generated sizes, large in this case, which I steal
from myself and upload to another site so the watermark is present and
until recently the exif data.

As far as I know, the display sizes never had all the exif embedded.

Can you link me to one of the photos that has all the exif embedded? I tried a few of your L sized photos, and they had no exif embedded:

Allen · August 12, 2008

ivar wrote:

As far as I know, the display sizes never had all the exif embedded.

Can you link me to one of the photos that has all the exif embedded? I tried a few of your L sized photos, and they had no exif embedded:

Two samples, a month apart.
This one and this one has a WM so it's not from the original and both have exif
data. I had dragged it from this photo and this photo (FF) in Smugmug style
or LB to my desktop then uploaded to other site (Flock). I was logged in
and had temporarily turned off right click otherwise you get the gif.

Weird part is the grabbed photo filename has both photo No. & image file name.
314589112_3cdeu-L.jpg

ivar · August 12, 2008

Allen wrote:

Two samples, a month apart.
This one and this one has a WM so it's not from the original and both have exif
data. I had dragged it from this photo and this photo (FF) in Smugmug style
or LB to my desktop then uploaded to other site (Flock). I was logged in
and had temporarily turned off right click otherwise you get the gif.

Weird part is the grabbed photo filename has both photo No. & image file name.
314589112_3cdeu-L.jpg

I still don't get the exif data when I do that

can you grab those images that you get (with the exif data) and email them to me? I think you have my email address, if not, let me know, please.

Allen · August 12, 2008

ivar wrote:

I still don't get the exif data when I do that can you grab those images that you get (with the exif data) and email them to me? I think you have my email address, if not, let me know, please.

I went to one of the photos (copied large) that shows exif data in photobar.
Did an owner save and no exif data was there in the original. So some how
the phantom exif data was transerred but not in the file.

do do do do
:s85

OffTopic · August 12, 2008

Andy wrote:

I'd love for certain IPTC copyright info to be there as well. It's not, presently, all of this is for performance reasons.

While I do understand the reasoning of performance concerns, I think many of us would sacrifice performance to preserve our IPTC copyright info. I made the unfortunate mistake of assuming it was preserved, until another site grabbed a bunch of photos off my blog for commercial use. I thought they had also stripped my copyright info until I realized that the photos posted on my blog were already stripped of the IPTC info.

Basically, posting our Smuggy photos to our blogs (another forum, any place on the web) is creating potential Orphan Works, and that is not a good thing.

jfriend · August 12, 2008

OffTopic wrote:

While I do understand the reasoning of performance concerns, I think many of us would sacrifice performance to preserve our IPTC copyright info. I made the unfortunate mistake of assuming it was preserved, until another site grabbed a bunch of photos off my blog for commercial use. I thought they had also stripped my copyright info until I realized that the photos posted on my blog were already stripped of the IPTC info.

Basically, posting our Smuggy photos to our blogs (another forum, any place on the web) is creating potential Orphan Works, and that is not a good thing.

I agree. Copyright EXIF info should be preserved among all sizes (except maybe thumbs). While it would be extra coding work for Smugmug when creating the new sizes to pull out just the copyright info and keep that, I have a hard time believing that it makes much of a run-time performance difference when serving the images. The copyright EXIF alone isn't that large relative to the image itself.

The only work-around at the moment, is to resize before uploading to the web size needed for posting and then post a link to the original in blogs, etc... That will then have all EXIF info in it and be the right size. But, a lot more of a pain then letting Smugmug do all the resizing for you and being able to use previously uploaded full-size images.

Bug or Feature Request: Preserve EXIF

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