Someone else's keyword gallery contains my photos?

pbandj · October 12, 2013

I was looking at the "referrers" in my Stats, and noticed this link:
http://photos.johnenslow.com/keyword/robin;bird/i-GqVHs5X

That seems to be a keyword page, but it contains a few of my photos. Note that the photos don't contain a link to the original gallery (a bug reported elsewhere but this kind of thing would make it seem more urgent to me). The "root" URL does not seem to be a valid site (http://photos.johnenslow.com) returns a page-not-found.

What is this gallery, how does it come to have my photos in it, and if someone "adds to cart" from this gallery, would I get the credit for the purchase? (that last is only a theoretical question because I'm not yet attempting to sell my photos...but have been considering it).

Andy · October 12, 2013

Link to that photo on your site, please?

pbandj · October 12, 2013

Andy wrote: »

Link to that photo on your site, please?

Several of my photos show up on that first page (robin sitting on a nest). Here is one example:
http://photos.bellhanley.com/Birds-Bats-Butterflies/Birds-Around-Town/Odds-and-Ends/i-mt5PJzd/0/M/Robin%202005-04-23_06-M.jpg

beardedgit · October 12, 2013

That's more than a little disconcerting. Looking through the rest of the pics in the "johnenslow" gallery there's a range of different watermarks so maybe more of the true owners can be identified.

beardedgit · October 12, 2013

From your pic on the "rip" site I followed "Share" > "Get a Link" and it shows the buy link as http://photos.bellhanley.com/buy/10664332_JqqKfq/2410063201_mt5PJzd/ which is, I believe, your link.

Furthermore, exiting "Get a Link" via "Back to Gallery" takes me to http://photos.bellhanley.com/Birds-Bats-Butterflies/Birds-Around-Town/Odds-and-Ends/10664332_JqqKfq#!i=2410063201&k=mt5PJzd

It's all very odd. If I were you I'd be re-checking my sharing options, as per http://help.smugmug.com/customer/portal/articles/93308.

denisegoldberg · October 12, 2013

pbandj wrote: »

I was looking at the "referrers" in my Stats, and noticed this link:
http://photos.johnenslow.com/keyword/robin;bird/i-GqVHs5X

That seems to be a keyword page, but it contains a few of my photos. Note that the photos don't contain a link to the original gallery (a bug reported elsewhere but this kind of thing would make it seem more urgent to me).

Do you allow collecting of your photos by other people? You can disable the Allow collecting setting in your account settings. See the section Wait, who can grab my photos? on this help page - http://help.smugmug.com/customer/portal/articles/93310.

--- Denise

beardedgit · October 12, 2013

denisegoldberg wrote: »

Do you allow collecting of your photos by other people? You can disable the Allow collecting setting in your account settings. See the section Wait, who can grab my photos? on this help page - http://help.smugmug.com/customer/portal/articles/93310.

--- Denise

Interesting... there's a disparity between the criteria in that link and in the one that I provided

denisegoldberg · October 12, 2013

beardedgit wrote: »

Interesting... there's a disparity between the criteria in that link and in the one that I provided

You linked to the help for smart galleries which focuses on using smart rules. The page I linked to is for collecting photos. They both create smart galleries, just in different ways.

--- Denise

beardedgit · October 12, 2013

denisegoldberg wrote: »

They both create smart galleries, just in different ways.

--- Denise

Really? I thought that keyworded galleries were smart because they are dynamic (new pics that match the rules get added automatically) but collecting isn't smart, as it requires user choice and isn't dynamic.

Anyway, the OP's issue is with a keyworded gallery, not a collected gallery.

Blooze · October 12, 2013

I have smart galleries turned off, I've disabled Allow Collecting in my account privacy, and still have a couple of searches that show my photos in them. I do have external link embedding enabled on most of my galleries so I can post small versions in forums, but have the external sharing off for everyone except me.

One is http://www.naturesart-gallery.com/search/?q=mantis&c=photos#i=0 if I type my last name after the "mantis" keyword then it shows up. It does link back to my page, so I'm assuming it's just a search engine?

Another is http://smugmug.varelaimages.com/search/?searchWords=1969&searchType=InUser&NickName=&x=0&y=0 where the searches has been by year and it's pulled some photos of mine from car shows. Again if I put my last name after the keyword search it brings up my photos and links back.

It's kind of weird that the original url look like someone elses websites through smugmug. Is this normal?

pbandj · October 12, 2013

And just for fun, to make this a little less theoretical, since I don't sell my photos, I tried hard-coding these keywords on this URL and this turns up a bunch of photos from Moon River Photography:

http://photos.johnenslow.com/keyword/capitol%20reef%20national%20park;muench%20workshops

And this URL turns up photos from Denise's site:
http://photos.johnenslow.com/keyword/phippsburg%20peninsula;popham%20beach%20state%20park

pbandj · October 12, 2013

Blooze wrote: »

I have smart galleries turned off, I've disabled Allow Collecting in my account privacy, and still have a couple of searches that show my photos in them. I do have external link embedding enabled on most of my galleries so I can post small versions in forums, but have the external sharing off for everyone except me.

It's kind of weird that the original url look like someone elses websites through smugmug. Is this normal?

The ones that use the "search" aren't quite as concerning because the photos do link back to the original owner's photos, but the link I posted is a "keyword" gallery, and because of the bug where the link to the original gallery went missing, there isn't an easy way to get to the original gallery (beyond what beardedgit posted.) And it's not obvious that these photos are from across smugmug and don't actually belong to someone named John Enslow.

I guess my original question remains...hopefully beardedgit is correct and if someone actually bought a product off this site, the original owner would get the credit, but it would be nice to understand what's going on here and have a definitive answer.

pbandj · October 12, 2013

Blooze wrote: »

I have smart galleries turned off, I've disabled Allow Collecting in my account privacy, and still have a couple of searches that show my photos in them.

And Blooze, here's one more test I did, since you have Allow Collecting turned off...this turns up photos that are yours:

http://photos.johnenslow.com/keyword/amarillo%20crime%20stoppers

WinsomeWorks · October 12, 2013

pbandj wrote: »

And just for fun, to make this a little less theoretical, since I don't sell my photos, I tried hard-coding these keywords on this URL and this turns up a bunch of photos from Moon River Photography:

http://photos.johnenslow.com/keyword/capitol%20reef%20national%20park;muench%20workshops

And this URL turns up photos from Denise's site:
http://photos.johnenslow.com/keyword/phippsburg%20peninsula;popham%20beach%20state%20park

This seems quite bizarre. It can't really be expected behavior, right? YIKES!! You're right, at the very least, it makes the whole lack of link-back to the original very concerning. And I don't see why another person's /keyword should show other people's stuff this way, with this kind of link.

thenickdude · October 12, 2013

The issue is that if there's a domain with a CNAME set to domains.smugmug.com, but the domain name isn't actually a registered SmugMug custom domain name, it reverts to searching all of SmugMug. For example, this keyword page for Sherlock Software (which is not a SmugMug domain, but I've set a CNAME to domains.smugmug.com):

http://smugmug.sherlocksoftware.org/keyword/slideshow

Returns exactly the same page as:

http://www.smugmug.com/keyword/slideshow

John Enslow probably used to be a SmugMug customer, so still has that record in his DNS. That's why visiting http://photos.jonenslow.com/ gives you "no photos found" (since there's no SmugMug site for that custom domain).

Since this is just results from the SmugMug sitewide search, you should be able to remove your photos from the results by setting the correct SmugMug search visibility setting. In Account Settings, Discovery, Search, set "SmugMug search visibility" to "No - make me an island", which means "other SmugMug pages will pretend they don't know you. But on your SmugMug pages, visitors will be able to use the search box, keywords, etc., to find your photos".

David Evertsen · October 12, 2013

Lamah wrote: »

The issue is that if there's a domain with a CNAME set to domains.smugmug.com, but the domain name isn't actually a registered SmugMug custom domain name, it reverts to searching all of SmugMug. For example, this keyword page for Sherlock Software (which is not a SmugMug domain, but I've set a CNAME to domains.smugmug.com):

http://smugmug.sherlocksoftware.org/keyword/slideshow

Returns exactly the same page as:

http://www.smugmug.com/keyword/slideshow

John Enslow probably used to be a SmugMug customer, so still has that record in his DNS. That's why visiting http://photos.jonenslow.com/ gives you "no photos found" (since there's no SmugMug site for that custom domain).

Since this is just results from the SmugMug sitewide search, you should be able to remove your photos from the results by setting the correct SmugMug search visibility setting. In Account Settings, Discovery, Search, set "SmugMug search visibility" to "No - make me an island", which means "other SmugMug pages will pretend they don't know you. But on your SmugMug pages, visitors will be able to use the search box, keywords, etc., to find your photos".

I reported this well over a year ago to the "HEROS" and it was never solved just some sort of non answer about how Smugmug handled dead domains. Apparently it wasn't a priority..

pbandj · October 13, 2013

Lamah wrote: »

The issue is that if there's a domain with a CNAME set to domains.smugmug.com, but the domain name isn't actually a registered SmugMug custom domain name, it reverts to searching all of SmugMug.

Since this is just results from the SmugMug sitewide search, you should be able to remove your photos from the results by setting the correct SmugMug search visibility setting. In Account Settings, Discovery, Search, set "SmugMug search visibility" to "No - make me an island", which means "other SmugMug pages will pretend they don't know you. But on your SmugMug pages, visitors will be able to use the search box, keywords, etc., to find your photos".

Thanks, Lamah, for the explanation. I guess I don't mind being found this way by a smugmug-wide search or keyword page, but it would be nice if smugmug handled dead domains differently so it doesn't appear that our pictures are on another photographer's site. As I said before, this is another reason I wish Smugmug would fix the bug where the link to the original gallery doesn't display anymore.

Darter02 · October 14, 2013

pbandj wrote: »

As I said before, this is another reason I wish Smugmug would fix the bug where the link to the original gallery doesn't display anymore.

A-freakin-men!!!! Please fix the "From..." link not displaying in Collage Style galleries!!

ceasley · October 15, 2013

Many of us don't want the "from" link to show in our galleries, so it needs to be an option to turn it off or on.

WinsomeWorks · October 15, 2013

ceasley wrote: »

Many of us don't want the "from" link to show in our galleries, so it needs to be an option to turn it off or on.

Just to clarify (although I imagine you already know this...), the "from" link won't show if the original gallery the photo is drawing from is Unlisted. (well, it'll show to you when logged in, but not to your visitors) There may be other instances it wouldn't show either. I only know about Legacy Unlisted... don't remember how passworded or private galleries would work.

Someone else's keyword gallery contains my photos?

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