it's here, in hand - I'll try and shoot with it today
With a 50 1.2 attached to the front ::drools::
Gotta run to a wedding (well 2, my gig and then the one I'm second shooting w/ urbanaries!!), maybe with some luck you'll have some samples for us to see when I get back late tonight?
The initial online reviews of the 50D has been interesting to say the least.
Someone compared it with a 40D at the store and the noise level was about the same, then a Swedish posters compared it with a 40D and found the noise about the same but the colors different. They subsequently compared it against a 5D and found the 5D to be less noisy than the 50D. Now the latest comparison of the 50D vs the 5D show the noise level and IQ about the same.
Gotta run to a wedding (well 2, my gig and then the one I'm second shooting w/ urbanaries!!), maybe with some luck you'll have some samples for us to see when I get back late tonight?
I downloaded the original sized files and looked at all three "synchronized" in Canon's zoombrowser so I can see all three images at 100% crop and move them around in sync to look at various areas.
The ISO 3200 shot with no NR does show some fine speckled noise pattern. The overall amount of noise is not too objectionable, but I wish for two things, another body like a 40D or a 5D to put the noise level into a context and maybe a shadow area where chroma noise really shows up.
Anyway, with 5/20 NR, there is generally pretty good control of luminescence noise and fair control of chroma noise. The letters in the book are very clean but the detail on the stuffed bear (not much in the no NR image anyway) is all pretty much smeared. So are other very fine detail like the grain of wood in the cabinet by the bear.
With the 10/20 NR shot, I think you are starting to lose more detail as the image looks less crisp, but chroma noise is better. I wonder how it would look with about 5 Luminescence NR and about 8 Chroma NR.
Andy, in terms of over all IQ, noise level, tonal gradation, dynamic range, and how responsive the RAW image is to processing, what are your feelings about the 50D? I'm thinking about upgrading from the 30D to either a 50D or a 5D. I'm thinking the 5D would give better IQ but the 50D may offer more features/build quality. I'd like to go to the 50D but not necessarily at the cost of IQ.
...and maybe a shadow area where chroma noise really shows up.
So are other very fine detail like the grain of wood in the cabinet by the bear.
I didn't download them but just viewed 'as is' posted by Andy. On the first 'No NR' one the noise jumped out at me in the wood over the bear (slight shadow area), the face of the book to the left of the bear, the blue spine of the book on its side in the upper right corner and a little over the globe.
By the third one the bear detail is lost and the noise mainly jumps out at me from the face of the book to the bear's left.
But nitpick nitpick it does seem. ISO 3200 @ f/11? Assuming that is the 50 f/1.2 you used Andy, I would consider that to be very acceptable.
So I will buy one. But sell this one to Nik before he :splat
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Start there, 0 (none) NR
Next one, 25% of NR
Next one, 50% of NR
Originals enabled.
Gentleman? Measurebate!
Nice, now can you magically grab a 5DMkII and repeat this game?
Also, question, Andy: Why is the 50 1.2/L on that body in the picture of you holding the 50D? I thought you returned yours and kept your 50 1.4? If things have changed since you originally wrote your 50 1.2/L review, you should update it to reflect why, because I'd like to know why (and so would others I'd guess).
Question for Andy et. al.
I have the XSi and have been waiting to see how the 50D is in the field. I am strongly considering adding the body to my gear. Based upon your tests thus far, would you recommend this camera to me.
Here is a nice review/comparison of the 50D vs the 40D.
I agree with the reviewer in that there doesn't seem to be much difference between the two.
I guess the good news is that 50% increase in MP's with same noise level and the bad news is unasked for increase in MP and no improvement in noise control.
Here is a nice review/comparison of the 50D vs the 40D.
I agree with the reviewer in that there doesn't seem to be much difference between the two.
I guess the good news is that 50% increase in MP's with same noise level and the bad news is unasked for increase in MP and no improvement in noise control.
Tom,
it's all subjective. I hear it each time.
50D is the same as 40D which is the same as 30D which is the same as 20D. PS CS4 is the same as CS3 which is the same as CS2 which is the same as CS...
It's all simply a line of reasoning behind the primeval gut feeling of whether you want to upgrade or not. Every person chooses for him/herself. The rest is BS.
Andy,
Are you finding that there is less noise than a 40D straight out of the camera? Or does the 50D respond better to processing and NR, giving a quieter image?
Nik,
Now that you have both a 40D and a 50D, let see some examples.
I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing at least a stop improvement in noise.
ISO 3200:
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Andy, assuming this is with no NR in DPP, it seems to have better results thatn the book shelf shot from the other day. Only jumps out at me in the grayish t-shirt, and even then not bad for ISO 3200.
"Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to. Oh well."
-Fleetwood Mac
6.5 hours later, no pictures, nowhere to be found.
You better be out shooting:photo :photo
OK, OK
First ones are from 40D
1: It arrived!
2: Hm, I didn't order that...
3: Free gifts, nice!
4: Box
5: And here it is!
Now, the shots from 50D - all ISO 12,800 (H2), ~30 min after sunset, very dark actually, strong noise reduction. Original SOOC jpegs
6: IMG_0003:
7: IMG_0004:
8: IMG_0005:
9: IMG_0006:
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With a 50 1.2 attached to the front ::drools::
Gotta run to a wedding (well 2, my gig and then the one I'm second shooting w/ urbanaries!!), maybe with some luck you'll have some samples for us to see when I get back late tonight?
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Someone compared it with a 40D at the store and the noise level was about the same, then a Swedish posters compared it with a 40D and found the noise about the same but the colors different. They subsequently compared it against a 5D and found the 5D to be less noisy than the 50D. Now the latest comparison of the 50D vs the 5D show the noise level and IQ about the same.
I've posted a link to the three threads in the order I mentioned below.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=573650
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://www.fotosidan.se/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D98125
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=29493820
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Looks pretty good! You using any in camera noise reduction?
http://www.moonriverphotography.com/gallery/1141376_UvoMF/2/381340626_nmEDe#381342110_XCPxx-A-LB
Start there, 0 (none) NR
Next one, 25% of NR
Next one, 50% of NR
Originals enabled.
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So lucky!! :cry
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The ISO 3200 shot with no NR does show some fine speckled noise pattern. The overall amount of noise is not too objectionable, but I wish for two things, another body like a 40D or a 5D to put the noise level into a context and maybe a shadow area where chroma noise really shows up.
Anyway, with 5/20 NR, there is generally pretty good control of luminescence noise and fair control of chroma noise. The letters in the book are very clean but the detail on the stuffed bear (not much in the no NR image anyway) is all pretty much smeared. So are other very fine detail like the grain of wood in the cabinet by the bear.
With the 10/20 NR shot, I think you are starting to lose more detail as the image looks less crisp, but chroma noise is better. I wonder how it would look with about 5 Luminescence NR and about 8 Chroma NR.
Andy, in terms of over all IQ, noise level, tonal gradation, dynamic range, and how responsive the RAW image is to processing, what are your feelings about the 50D? I'm thinking about upgrading from the 30D to either a 50D or a 5D. I'm thinking the 5D would give better IQ but the 50D may offer more features/build quality. I'd like to go to the 50D but not necessarily at the cost of IQ.
I didn't download them but just viewed 'as is' posted by Andy. On the first 'No NR' one the noise jumped out at me in the wood over the bear (slight shadow area), the face of the book to the left of the bear, the blue spine of the book on its side in the upper right corner and a little over the globe.
By the third one the bear detail is lost and the noise mainly jumps out at me from the face of the book to the bear's left.
But nitpick nitpick it does seem. ISO 3200 @ f/11? Assuming that is the 50 f/1.2 you used Andy, I would consider that to be very acceptable.
So I will buy one. But sell this one to Nik before he :splat
-Fleetwood Mac
Apart from the 5D2 image sensor, it doesn't appear that Canon Japan is doing much to win back the market.
Nice, now can you magically grab a 5DMkII and repeat this game?
Also, question, Andy: Why is the 50 1.2/L on that body in the picture of you holding the 50D? I thought you returned yours and kept your 50 1.4? If things have changed since you originally wrote your 50 1.2/L review, you should update it to reflect why, because I'd like to know why (and so would others I'd guess).
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OK, you've had three minutes... so???
Since this thread is about the 50D I have to ask; Do you think this shot would have been less good with let's say the 30D?
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Not sure how to answer the question. I think the tonal range and quality of the image are very nice. Whether that can be said for the 30d, don't know.
I have the XSi and have been waiting to see how the 50D is in the field. I am strongly considering adding the body to my gear. Based upon your tests thus far, would you recommend this camera to me.
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I agree with the reviewer in that there doesn't seem to be much difference between the two.
I guess the good news is that 50% increase in MP's with same noise level and the bad news is unasked for increase in MP and no improvement in noise control.
http://rolandlim.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/canon-eos-50d-review/
A used 5D is looking more attractive again.
ISO 3200:
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it's all subjective. I hear it each time.
50D is the same as 40D which is the same as 30D which is the same as 20D. PS CS4 is the same as CS3 which is the same as CS2 which is the same as CS...
It's all simply a line of reasoning behind the primeval gut feeling of whether you want to upgrade or not. Every person chooses for him/herself. The rest is BS.
Are you finding that there is less noise than a 40D straight out of the camera? Or does the 50D respond better to processing and NR, giving a quieter image?
Nik,
Now that you have both a 40D and a 50D, let see some examples.
Andy, assuming this is with no NR in DPP, it seems to have better results thatn the book shelf shot from the other day. Only jumps out at me in the grayish t-shirt, and even then not bad for ISO 3200.
-Fleetwood Mac
6.5 hours later, no pictures, nowhere to be found.
You better be out shooting:photo :photo
-Fleetwood Mac
First ones are from 40D
1: It arrived!
2: Hm, I didn't order that...
3: Free gifts, nice!
4: Box
5: And here it is!
Now, the shots from 50D - all ISO 12,800 (H2), ~30 min after sunset, very dark actually, strong noise reduction. Original SOOC jpegs
6: IMG_0003:
7: IMG_0004:
8: IMG_0005:
9: IMG_0006:
Here's the link to the gallery, originals enabled:
http://nik.smugmug.com/gallery/6111814_tqCAG
Girls - tomorrow:-)