Photo description parsing: which IPTC field?

zenbear

(apologies if this is a repeat question---I'm new here)

The Smugmug help pages and various postings here claim that the IPTC Caption field ("caption" in Lightroom, "description" in Bridge) gets parsed into photo descriptions. What I'm seeing is that Smugmug is picking up the Headline field instead. Is this the intended result, or is something going wrong here?

I realize I could just learn to use the Headline field, but (1) I have many photos with descriptions in the Caption field, and (2) Adobe's editing tools tend to give a larger edit pane for the Caption field.

thanks,
-- Erik

Andy

IPTC Description.

jfriend

Andy wrote:

IPTC Description.

Do you know what the IPTC Description field is labeled in the UI of various editing products (Lightroom, Bridge, Photoshop, Aperture)? I don't use captions very often, but whenever I try to, I am constantly confused about which field in which product to put the info in. Even Adobe's products are not consistent with how they label things in the UI. I nice little list of UI screenshot of where to put the caption data in each product would be a wonderful addition to your help pages.

zenbear

It was the uploader...
Thanks, Andy. I figured out what was happening---straightforward file-based uploads were picking up the Description field just fine, but when I used the Lightroom uploader plugin, it has an explicit option for which fields to send (and it was set to grab the Headline field).

-- Erik

Andy

jfriend wrote:

would be a wonderful addition to your help pages.

And yet more for us to keep track of It's a huge effort, not to be undertaken lightly, as these screenies have to be updated all the time

It's perfect for our Wiki

here's a start, lightroom

jfriend

Andy wrote:

And yet more for us to keep track of It's a huge effort, not to be undertaken lightly, as these screenies have to be updated all the time

OK, so you react negatively to the customer-friendly idea of using screenshots.

Is there any helpful information on what these programs call the IPTC Description field? Or do you just tell your customers to try to figure it out themselves with trial and error? Personally, I just need the info for Lightroom and occasionally Bridge.

Andy

Andy wrote:

It's perfect for our Wiki

Hang on I'll start a page.

Andy

Andy wrote:

Hang on I'll start a page.

Does this help?

http://wiki.smugmug.net/display/SmugMug/Adding+Captions+from+Lightroom+or+Bridge

Andy

jfriend wrote:

OK, so you react negatively to the customer-friendly idea of screenshots.

John it's not negatively
In fact, I just stopped what I was doing to make a wiki page - which can now be updated by our smart community

I said, it's hard for us to add to our help pages, that stuff, cuz it changes all the time.

jfriend

Andy wrote:

John it's not negatively
In fact, I just stopped what I was doing to make a wiki page - which can now be updated by our smart community

I said, it's hard for us to add to our help pages, that stuff, cuz it changes all the time.

Thank you for that. That covers to two apps I'm concered with.

You have me a bit confused about the difference between the wiki and the help pages though. How is it less work to keep the wiki up to date than the help pages?

Andy

jfriend wrote:

Thank you for that. That covers to two apps I'm concered with.

You have me a bit confused about the difference between the wiki and the help pages though. How is it less work to keep the wiki up to date than the help pages?

The wiki, you and our awesome community can update, instantly

The help pages on SmugMug require a skilled tech writer, internal testing, and a release to the live site.

jfriend

Andy wrote:

The wiki, you and our awesome community can update, instantly

The help pages on SmugMug require a skilled tech writer, internal testing, and a release to the live site.

How does one add things to the Wiki instantly?

Andy

jfriend wrote:

How does one add things to the Wiki instantly?

Add it by comment for now. Then we can edit / modify/ change/clean up the pages.

jfriend

Andy wrote:

Add it by comment for now. Then we can edit / modify/ change/clean up the pages.

Hmmm, a posting in dgrin is going to be seen by a lot more Smugmug people than a comment in the wiki. I guess I'm not understanding how the "community" edits the wiki or when I should post a comment in the wiki?

Andy

jfriend wrote:

Hmmm, a posting in dgrin is going to be seen by a lot more Smugmug people than a comment in the wiki. I guess I'm not understanding how the "community" edits the wiki or when I should post a comment in the wiki?

Hi John, sure, post on Dgrin, too. But we put stuff like this on the Wiki all the time. And Anne links to wiki pages from help pages, even

Example: YOU find a better way to show the info after LR changes. YOU post a comment - "Hey, the info is changed - here's a link to a new grab."

Then I or any hero (NOT a sorcerer) can make the page update in a minute or two.

Pretty cool, huh? :jfriend

RogersDA

Andy wrote:

Hi John, sure, post on Dgrin, too. But we put stuff like this on the Wiki all the time. And Anne links to wiki pages from help pages, even

Example: YOU find a better way to show the info after LR changes. YOU post a comment - "Hey, the info is changed - here's a link to a new grab."

Then I or any hero (NOT a sorcerer) can make the page update in a minute or two.

Pretty cool, huh? :jfriend

In the DGrin forums I think a link to the Wiki in the main menu (You! FAQ Smug's Wiki Shooters ...) might help, maybe a different color than the rest of the links. I always forget the Wiki exists for some reason.

jfriend

Andy wrote:

Hi John, sure, post on Dgrin, too. But we put stuff like this on the Wiki all the time. And Anne links to wiki pages from help pages, even

Example: YOU find a better way to show the info after LR changes. YOU post a comment - "Hey, the info is changed - here's a link to a new grab."

Then I or any hero (NOT a sorcerer) can make the page update in a minute or two.

Pretty cool, huh? :jfriend

OK, I get it. When you said the community could update it, I thought something different. It's easy for support heroes to update it.

FYI, I agree with David's comment that the wiki is not known by very many people so perhaps a bit underutilized. I have never ever looked in the wiki for helpful articles to solve either my own problems or to refer other dgrin posters to and you must admit, I'm a fairly involved customer but still didn't really know about it or think about it regularly.

Further, I usually find things with search. My common search methods are to either do a Google search on site:smugmug.com/help or go to the search in the help pages. Neither includes the wiki and in fact I don't know of any way to search both help pages and the wiki.

Ideally, there'd be one easy way to search dgrin, www.smugmug.com/help, wiki.smugmug.net and the various tutorials since those are the four main sources of info.

Andy

jfriend wrote:

OK, I get it. When you said the community could update it, I thought something different. It's easy for support heroes to update it.

Yes, after you, or the community direct us to the new info.

We wanted the wiki to be open open but gosh the spammers and vandals keep coming

jfriend

Andy wrote:

Yes, after you, or the community direct us to the new info.

We wanted the wiki to be open open but gosh the spammers and vandals keep coming

If you want to open it up, why not use Smugmug's OpenID authentication and require a Smugmug OpenID login before editing the Wiki?

Andy

jfriend wrote:

If you want to open it up, why not use Smugmug's OpenID authentication and require a Smugmug OpenID login before editing the Wiki?

I don't have that option yet. But we'll see, thanks