DJ, hey buddy. I got a lot of people coming up to me at WPPI and raving about how awesome your slumber workshop was.
Can you make a post here on your upcoming Workshop schedules? I would love to have them on my radar and I am sure there are many here that would like to attend.
DJ, hey buddy. I got a lot of people coming up to me at WPPI and raving about how awesome your slumber workshop was.
Can you make a post here on your upcoming Workshop schedules? I would love to have them on my radar and I am sure there are many here that would like to attend.
What city, date & time, emphasis?
Thanks,
Markham
Cool! Thanks Markham! These are such a blast! I haven't put any more on the calendar quite yet b/c I'm still riding the high of the last two but as soon as I do I'll post'em here.
Cool! Thanks Markham! These are such a blast! I haven't put any more on the calendar quite yet b/c I'm still riding the high of the last two but as soon as I do I'll post'em here.
You mean that all of us we re at WPPI and that wasn't a slumber party? Well it was a dining fest for a few of us - we feasted on friendship and knowledge and all things photographic. Another party - slumber or otherwise could be a lot of fun!
Hi DJ, WELCOME......:)
Hi DJ, a big welcome even i'm not very that active here in the DigitalGrin forum, but i do fallow you almost everywhere through your websites and blogs....YOU ROCK and you are one of my great photographers inspiration.
I was always passionate about photography in general, it wasn't my profession. 2 years ago i discover the "Wedding Photography" where i start like an occasional second photographer for complementing "Candid shoots" for a Wedding Photographer in Montreal an guess what, i fall completely in love with this exiting....challenging...rewarding profession, so now i try to transitioning to this job to make a living of it. The thing is than i'm much better photographer than i'm businessman, even i do have what it take's (ambition and motivation) to start my own business but i'm overwarmed, i don't know how and where to start.
I have thousands of questions running through my head (ex: how i gone grow my potfolio, how and where to get costumers "i'm ready to do wedding for free to slowly get people to know my and the job i do", how i gone do without much money to buy updated material.......???), sorry maybe you find i'm funny, but these feellings are real.
Do you have some directions or advices to tell my?
I'm so happy you are here, talk to you soon, friendly Mika.
Hi DJ, a big welcome even i'm not very that active here in the DigitalGrin forum, but i do fallow you almost everywhere through your websites and blogs....YOU ROCK and you are one of my great photographers inspiration.
I have thousands of questions running through my head (ex: how i gone grow my potfolio, how and where to get costumers "i'm ready to do wedding for free to slowly get people to know my and the job i do", how i gone do without much money to buy updated material.......???), sorry maybe you find i'm funny, but these feellings are real.
I think going the free route is a great way to build your network and another great way to build your portfolio is to go "second" shoot for another photographers. There are lots of photographers out there who will let you come and shoot with them at weddings and then use those pictures in your portfolio.
Cool. It's good to hear more from you DJ. I wasn't trying to offend, just wondering where you've been. You're part of the reason I made the move to SM.
I am guessing David Jay is no longer associated with Smugmug?
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I am amazed he would write that Smugmug is for amateurs and landscape photographers. I have been happily serving my clients through smugmug as a pro for several years and used it many years before as an amateur.
But then again, if you look at the "quality" that David Jay produced as a wedding photographer on the top of his game in 2006 and the complete disregard for his client's feelings now, maybe we all thought too highly of him.
I am guessing David Jay is no longer associated with Smugmug?
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I am amazed he would write that Smugmug is for amateurs and landscape photographers. I have been happily serving my clients through smugmug as a pro for several years and used it many years before as an amateur.
But then again, if you look at the "quality" that David Jay produced as a wedding photographer on the top of his game in 2006 and the complete disregard for his client's feelings now, maybe we all thought too highly of him.
BTW, Thomas, I think this is against the TOS of the private, paid community where that post came from. ;-) Not that I condone recent endeavors of DJ, but just wanted to mention that. Slightly un-cool.
BTW, Thomas, I think this is against the TOS of the private, paid community where that post came from. ;-) Not that I condone recent endeavors of DJ, but just wanted to mention that. Slightly un-cool.
=Matt=
Matt,
Do you mean copying and posting the info or would simply providing the information as to what he said be in violation of the TOS and / or "un-cool?
Do you mean copying and posting the info or would simply providing the information as to what he said be in violation of the TOS and / or "un-cool?
Sam
The part where it's a verbatim screenshot of a private community with a TOS that says you can't circulate content publicly. I think, however, that a general paraphrase of what is being discussed might be "legal"... The part I think is "uncool" is the slight disrespect to the TOS of a private community.
Not trying to be an ass, I just happened to recognize the conversation and know the TOS.
BTW, Thomas, I think this is against the TOS of the private, paid community where that post came from. ;-) Not that I condone recent endeavors of DJ, but just wanted to mention that. Slightly un-cool.
=Matt=
The part where it's a verbatim screenshot of a private community with a TOS that says you can't circulate content publicly. I think, however, that a general paraphrase of what is being discussed might be "legal"... The part I think is "uncool" is the slight disrespect to the TOS of a private community.
Not trying to be an ass, I just happened to recognize the conversation and know the TOS.
As I am not, have never been, and will never be a part of that community, I don't really care. I can't violate the TOS as I never agreed to it. Posting this falls under fair use.
But good job of distracting from the real issue with something inconsequential. Screencapping just the pertinent part and posting it saves all the "He didn't really say that" nonsense that would have occurred had I just said "DJ said Smugmug is for amateurs!" and his loyal followers respond with "LIAR!"
It seems that the veil has been pulled away from the cult of personality that is David Jay and we are starting to see some of what is really behind that fantastic branding.
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Matthew SavilleRegistered Users, Retired ModPosts: 3,352Major grins
As I am not, have never been, and will never be a part of that community, I don't really care. I can't violate the TOS as I never agreed to it. Posting this falls under fair use.
But good job of distracting from the real issue with something inconsequential. Screencapping just the pertinent part and posting it saves all the "He didn't really say that" nonsense that would have occurred had I just said "DJ said Smugmug is for amateurs!" and his loyal followers respond with "LIAR!"
It seems that the veil has been pulled away from the cult of personality that is David Jay and we are starting to see some of what is really behind that fantastic branding.
Thomas, if it was not you, then where did you find the image, if I may ask? It may be "fair use" from your own legal standpoint, but not someone else's...
BTW I don't intend to distract from a healthy discussion on a subject such as whether or not DJ's teachings are worthwhile, or the relatively harmless question that you asked when posting the screencapture. There is always room for healthy discussion here. However I don't really see how this discussion can be healthy, in fact posting his statements here borders on inflammatory. If I may be so forward to ask, what was your goal in posting the screenshot? To simply get an answer to your question? If that is the case, then you have your answer already. ;-)
Like I said, I ALSO strongly disagree with many things DJ says. I'm simply hoping that "the lynch mob mentality" doesn't happen here at DGrin. Everybody says "oh but I care about the industry too much to just sit back quietly and not speak up"... Really? If people truly cared about fixing the situation, a well-crafted, private message to DJ would go a lot further towards convincing him that he's wrong. Or, a few thousand private messages. But the public one-liner insults and twitter tantrums?? Mostly they just make your "opponent" dislike you even more, or at least refuse to see things your way.
Just some food for thought. I know you probably were NOT trying to start a flame war, I'm just describing how quickly that kinda stuff can happen if we're not careful. Fair enough?
Thomas, if it was not you, then where did you find the image, if I may ask? It may be "fair use" from your own legal standpoint, but not someone else's...
It isn't really relevant.
BTW I don't intend to distract from a healthy discussion on a subject such as whether or not DJ's teachings are worthwhile, or the relatively harmless question that you asked when posting the screencapture. There is always room for healthy discussion here. However I don't really see how this discussion can be healthy, in fact posting his statements here borders on inflammatory. If I may be so forward to ask, what was your goal in posting the screenshot? To simply get an answer to your question? If that is the case, then you have your answer already. ;-)
I thought it was outrageous that a Smugmug Artist in Residence would say that about Smugmug. I've been with Smugmug since Sept 2005 and clearly remember when DJ became an A-I-R as it coincided with when I started getting interested in shooting weddings.
Like I said, I ALSO strongly disagree with many things DJ says. I'm simply hoping that "the lynch mob mentality" doesn't happen here at DGrin. Everybody says "oh but I care about the industry too much to just sit back quietly and not speak up"... Really? If people truly cared about fixing the situation, a well-crafted, private message to DJ would go a lot further towards convincing him that he's wrong. Or, a few thousand private messages. But the public one-liner insults and twitter tantrums?? Mostly they just make your "opponent" dislike you even more, or at least refuse to see things your way.
Just some food for thought. I know you probably were NOT trying to start a flame war, I'm just describing how quickly that kinda stuff can happen if we're not careful. Fair enough?
=Matt=
Fair enough, but all that could have been said in private, too, eh?
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Matthew SavilleRegistered Users, Retired ModPosts: 3,352Major grins
Maybe not to you, but it is relevant to the moderators / owners of the community of which the TOS were violated. Of course you aren't obligated to divulge the information if you don't feel like it; I just thought I'd ask in case the answer was as easy as "saw it floating around Twitter" or something.
I thought it was outrageous that a Smugmug Artist in Residence would say that about Smugmug. I've been with Smugmug since Sept 2005 and clearly remember when DJ became an A-I-R as it coincided with when I started getting interested in shooting weddings.
I totally agree with you. Just making sure you're a concerned community member and not a troll. I have a lot of respect for anyone who has been using SmugMug since 2005; I've been around since then myself and I value our community. It was just suspect that you joined DGrin just to make that one single post. I'm sure you can understand that!
Fair enough, but all that could have been said in private, too, eh?
Well like I said, I just wanted to make it clear what this community is about, and let everyone know there are better ways to get a message across than the crucifying currently going on in other communities.
I must be missing something here. Mr. Jay hasn't been active on Dgrin for well over a year now. His total post count of less than 60 seems to indicate that he was never that active here in the first place.
He's found another site that fits his needs better than Smugmug, so what? While its a sign of poor judgement its hardly earthshaking. What is the real issue?
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I must be missing something here. Mr. Jay hasn't been active on Dgrin for well over a year now. His total post count of less than 60 seems to indicate that he was never that active here in the first place.
He's found another site that fits his needs better than Smugmug, so what? While its a sign of poor judgement its hardly earthshaking. What is the real issue?
Totally agreee.
Remember, no one may want you to take pictures, but they all want to see them. Educate yourself like you'll live forever and live like you'll die tomorrow.
Ed
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Matthew SavilleRegistered Users, Retired ModPosts: 3,352Major grins
I must be missing something here. Mr. Jay hasn't been active on Dgrin for well over a year now. His total post count of less than 60 seems to indicate that he was never that active here in the first place.
He's found another site that fits his needs better than Smugmug, so what? While its a sign of poor judgement its hardly earthshaking. What is the real issue?
I think what shocked Thomas so much was the fact that DJ was not just another forum member, but an official artist-in-residence, who appeared to still be one even now / recently, when he made that comment about SmugMug.
Indeed, he's moved on, and this will blow over, and it was a low-blow to say such a thing even though it was in private.
I think what shocked Thomas so much was the fact that DJ was not just another forum member, but an official artist-in-residence, who appeared to still be one even now / recently, when he made that comment about SmugMug.
Indeed, he's moved on, and this will blow over, and it was a low-blow to say such a thing even though it was in private.
*shrug*
=Matt=
Sorry, but saying something on an internet forum (even a paid one, whatever the ToS) does not equate to saying it in private.
Personally, I think DJ has a lot of interesting things to say, you just need to filter the good stuff from the marketing and s%!t stirring.
I thought it was outrageous that a Smugmug Artist in Residence would say that about Smugmug. I've been with Smugmug since Sept 2005 and clearly remember when DJ became an A-I-R as it coincided with when I started getting interested in shooting weddings.
eh?
Hi Thomas,
I think I can understand some of why the comments he made irritated you. It kind of comes off as a finger pointed at anyone who uses smugmug as being an amateur. I know, as do you that this is absolutely untrue. I know why I originally began hosting via SM (for consistant print quality) and I also know why I still host here. That is due to the outstanding customer service. I have had a few problems with prints over the years, but SM has always responded quick and even maybe overzealous to make things right. Andy Williams is connected to this forum nearly always and if all else fails is only a few pecks of the key oard away. SM has never left me hanging.
I assume you are as loyal to SM as I am and have recieved the sAme type of service. Another reason to be angry about the bashing.
I was moderator here in "weddings" for a stint a couple years ago and so I knew many of the forum members who frequented "weddings" when DJ became AIR. I was hesitant to drink the koolaide and always thought that something didnt seem right. I felt like he was only here to increase his fold and sell his wares rather than truely elevating the photogs that frequent dgrin. But it didnt last long. And. He never truely made any REAL contributions here.
I freely admit that much of what I have learned about digital photography I have learned here in this very forum. I have also, on occasion, gone out of the way to help others grow. And that is really what a good community is about.
The simple truth is that DJ hasnt been an active member in this community for quite awhile. He has moved on.
Sorry, but saying something on an internet forum (even a paid one, whatever the ToS) does not equate to saying it in private.
Personally, I think DJ has a lot of interesting things to say, you just need to filter the good stuff from the marketing and s%!t stirring.
Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean it's public. You enter your credit card information on the internet from time to time, I'd wager; can I have that info? My point being, there is at least a slight hint of "behind closed doors" when you have that many barriers for entry. It may not be as "in private" as a bedroom closet, but it's still a private community by a few standards...
Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean it's public.
The reality is that anything you post, anywhere you post it, could become public whether it's private or not.
And that is the point I believe Stuart is making.
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Can you make a post here on your upcoming Workshop schedules? I would love to have them on my radar and I am sure there are many here that would like to attend.
What city, date & time, emphasis?
Thanks,
Markham
www.twitter.com/markhambennett
davidjay
www.davidjay.com
"A true measure of your worth includes all the benefits others have gained from your success."
Yeah, I want to come to one of those,too.
jeff
Flash Frozen Photography, Inc.
http://flashfrozenphotography.com
Hi DJ, a big welcome even i'm not very that active here in the DigitalGrin forum, but i do fallow you almost everywhere through your websites and blogs....YOU ROCK and you are one of my great photographers inspiration.
I was always passionate about photography in general, it wasn't my profession. 2 years ago i discover the "Wedding Photography" where i start like an occasional second photographer for complementing "Candid shoots" for a Wedding Photographer in Montreal an guess what, i fall completely in love
I have thousands of questions running through my head (ex: how i gone grow my potfolio, how and where to get costumers "i'm ready to do wedding for free to slowly get people to know my and the job i do", how i gone do without much money to buy updated material.......???), sorry maybe you find i'm funny, but these feellings are real.
Do you have some directions or advices to tell my?
I'm so happy you are here, talk to you soon, friendly Mika.
Michael Bastia (MB) Photographie Web Site :lust
I think going the free route is a great way to build your network and another great way to build your portfolio is to go "second" shoot for another photographers. There are lots of photographers out there who will let you come and shoot with them at weddings and then use those pictures in your portfolio.
Keep rocking!
DJ
davidjay
www.davidjay.com
"A true measure of your worth includes all the benefits others have gained from your success."
hmmm....I suppose so. I dunno...I guess you can define "being a photographer" a lot of different ways.
Yup - I'm still committed to SmugMug! They rock!
davidjay
www.davidjay.com
"A true measure of your worth includes all the benefits others have gained from your success."
Was never controversial to us, DJ has been one of our top supporters from the day we met.
www.twitter.com/markhambennett
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I am amazed he would write that Smugmug is for amateurs and landscape photographers. I have been happily serving my clients through smugmug as a pro for several years and used it many years before as an amateur.
But then again, if you look at the "quality" that David Jay produced as a wedding photographer on the top of his game in 2006 and the complete disregard for his client's feelings now, maybe we all thought too highly of him.
www.tednghiem.com
Yes, we are sorry to say that DJ has long since back stabbed us and left the party. I really feel bad for him and truly wish him the best.
Markham
www.twitter.com/markhambennett
www.tednghiem.com
=Matt=
My SmugMug Portfolio • My Astro-Landscape Photo Blog • Dgrin Weddings Forum
Matt,
Do you mean copying and posting the info or would simply providing the information as to what he said be in violation of the TOS and / or "un-cool?
Sam
The part where it's a verbatim screenshot of a private community with a TOS that says you can't circulate content publicly. I think, however, that a general paraphrase of what is being discussed might be "legal"... The part I think is "uncool" is the slight disrespect to the TOS of a private community.
Not trying to be an ass, I just happened to recognize the conversation and know the TOS.
My SmugMug Portfolio • My Astro-Landscape Photo Blog • Dgrin Weddings Forum
www.tednghiem.com
As I am not, have never been, and will never be a part of that community, I don't really care. I can't violate the TOS as I never agreed to it. Posting this falls under fair use.
But good job of distracting from the real issue with something inconsequential. Screencapping just the pertinent part and posting it saves all the "He didn't really say that" nonsense that would have occurred had I just said "DJ said Smugmug is for amateurs!" and his loyal followers respond with "LIAR!"
It seems that the veil has been pulled away from the cult of personality that is David Jay and we are starting to see some of what is really behind that fantastic branding.
Thomas, if it was not you, then where did you find the image, if I may ask? It may be "fair use" from your own legal standpoint, but not someone else's...
BTW I don't intend to distract from a healthy discussion on a subject such as whether or not DJ's teachings are worthwhile, or the relatively harmless question that you asked when posting the screencapture. There is always room for healthy discussion here. However I don't really see how this discussion can be healthy, in fact posting his statements here borders on inflammatory. If I may be so forward to ask, what was your goal in posting the screenshot? To simply get an answer to your question? If that is the case, then you have your answer already. ;-)
Like I said, I ALSO strongly disagree with many things DJ says. I'm simply hoping that "the lynch mob mentality" doesn't happen here at DGrin. Everybody says "oh but I care about the industry too much to just sit back quietly and not speak up"... Really? If people truly cared about fixing the situation, a well-crafted, private message to DJ would go a lot further towards convincing him that he's wrong. Or, a few thousand private messages. But the public one-liner insults and twitter tantrums?? Mostly they just make your "opponent" dislike you even more, or at least refuse to see things your way.
Just some food for thought. I know you probably were NOT trying to start a flame war, I'm just describing how quickly that kinda stuff can happen if we're not careful. Fair enough?
=Matt=
My SmugMug Portfolio • My Astro-Landscape Photo Blog • Dgrin Weddings Forum
I thought it was outrageous that a Smugmug Artist in Residence would say that about Smugmug. I've been with Smugmug since Sept 2005 and clearly remember when DJ became an A-I-R as it coincided with when I started getting interested in shooting weddings.
Fair enough, but all that could have been said in private, too, eh?
I totally agree with you. Just making sure you're a concerned community member and not a troll. I have a lot of respect for anyone who has been using SmugMug since 2005; I've been around since then myself and I value our community. It was just suspect that you joined DGrin just to make that one single post. I'm sure you can understand that!
Well like I said, I just wanted to make it clear what this community is about, and let everyone know there are better ways to get a message across than the crucifying currently going on in other communities.
=Matt=
My SmugMug Portfolio • My Astro-Landscape Photo Blog • Dgrin Weddings Forum
He's found another site that fits his needs better than Smugmug, so what? While its a sign of poor judgement its hardly earthshaking. What is the real issue?
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Totally agreee.
Educate yourself like you'll live forever and live like you'll die tomorrow.
Ed
I think what shocked Thomas so much was the fact that DJ was not just another forum member, but an official artist-in-residence, who appeared to still be one even now / recently, when he made that comment about SmugMug.
Indeed, he's moved on, and this will blow over, and it was a low-blow to say such a thing even though it was in private.
*shrug*
=Matt=
My SmugMug Portfolio • My Astro-Landscape Photo Blog • Dgrin Weddings Forum
Sorry, but saying something on an internet forum (even a paid one, whatever the ToS) does not equate to saying it in private.
Personally, I think DJ has a lot of interesting things to say, you just need to filter the good stuff from the marketing and s%!t stirring.
Hi Thomas,
I think I can understand some of why the comments he made irritated you. It kind of comes off as a finger pointed at anyone who uses smugmug as being an amateur. I know, as do you that this is absolutely untrue. I know why I originally began hosting via SM (for consistant print quality) and I also know why I still host here. That is due to the outstanding customer service. I have had a few problems with prints over the years, but SM has always responded quick and even maybe overzealous to make things right. Andy Williams is connected to this forum nearly always and if all else fails is only a few pecks of the key oard away. SM has never left me hanging.
I assume you are as loyal to SM as I am and have recieved the sAme type of service. Another reason to be angry about the bashing.
I was moderator here in "weddings" for a stint a couple years ago and so I knew many of the forum members who frequented "weddings" when DJ became AIR. I was hesitant to drink the koolaide and always thought that something didnt seem right. I felt like he was only here to increase his fold and sell his wares rather than truely elevating the photogs that frequent dgrin. But it didnt last long. And. He never truely made any REAL contributions here.
I freely admit that much of what I have learned about digital photography I have learned here in this very forum. I have also, on occasion, gone out of the way to help others grow. And that is really what a good community is about.
The simple truth is that DJ hasnt been an active member in this community for quite awhile. He has moved on.
So has Dgrin.
Jeff
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Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean it's public. You enter your credit card information on the internet from time to time, I'd wager; can I have that info? My point being, there is at least a slight hint of "behind closed doors" when you have that many barriers for entry. It may not be as "in private" as a bedroom closet, but it's still a private community by a few standards...
=Matt=
My SmugMug Portfolio • My Astro-Landscape Photo Blog • Dgrin Weddings Forum
The reality is that anything you post, anywhere you post it, could become public whether it's private or not.
And that is the point I believe Stuart is making.