Possible #16 your advise Please.

KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
edited January 8, 2009 in The Dgrin Challenges
I have posted these in Finishing School as well as Landscapes, but thought I would post them here as well. You guys have been wonderful. I know I have much to learn, and so many people to learn from. Thank you Dgrin. I am contemplating using these for #16.
Heres the background on theses pic's. Wind is blowing 35 mph and is -35 degrees. I couldn't be outside very long but wanted to photograph the rainbow. I have never seen a rainbow in the middle of Winter with snow on the ground and BLOWING. So any help on how to make ,if possible, better. Thanks in advance.

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  • pyroPrints.compyroPrints.com Registered Users Posts: 1,383 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    in order of preference 4,3,2,1
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  • leaforteleaforte Registered Users Posts: 1,948 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    I'm not the one to say for sure, but you may have some exposure and technical problems in all of them. That said, the lines, and angles of the trees, fencing, snow drifts, etc., of number three make for a very nice composition...watch that composition through the seasons, it could be awesome.
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Thank you both. Is there any PP that I can do to salvage these?
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  • KurtPrestonKurtPreston Registered Users Posts: 285 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Being brutally honest, I don't feel that the wind blown snow rainbow is defined enough to serve as a the main focal point. #3 has some possibilites because of the larger tree but there is a strong blue color cast. Maybe crop #3 down a bit where the snow-bow is just off the right edge and the tree is at the left edge, and lose some of the dead space at the top too.
  • divamumdivamum Registered Users Posts: 9,021 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Kwarta -

    These must be so frustrating - you can remember the rainbow you saw, and the landscape itself is lovely. Unfortunately, however, the rainbow doesn't have enough shape "on film" and on my monitor looks like flare rather than a clear arc :cry

    That said, I actually really like #4 - I wonder what happens if you try different crops, possibly even a wide panoramic one? headscratch.gif
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Hey thanks I don't know why I didn't think of trying different crops. Duh. I will play around abit and repost. Thanks again
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    divamum wrote:
    Kwarta -

    These must be so frustrating - you can remember the rainbow you saw, and the landscape itself is lovely. Unfortunately, however, the rainbow doesn't have enough shape "on film" and on my monitor looks like flare rather than a clear arc :cry

    That said, I actually really like #4 - I wonder what happens if you try different crops, possibly even a wide panoramic one? headscratch.gif

    Very frustrating:bluduh. It was soooooooooooooo cold. but I tried anyway. ok I'm done whining. So here is the crop on #4 what do ya think better or worse.

    447194084_UtY48-L.jpg
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    KurtPreston wrote:
    Being brutally honest, I don't feel that the wind blown snow rainbow is defined enough to serve as a the main focal point. #3 has some possibilites because of the larger tree but there is a strong blue color cast. Maybe crop #3 down a bit where the snow-bow is just off the right edge and the tree is at the left edge, and lose some of the dead space at the top too.

    Tried two different crops either of them better.

    #1
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    #2
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  • pyrypyry Registered Users Posts: 1,733 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    I think #3 hits the closest, but what's really needed here is a wide shot showing both patches of light around the sun (which you can partially hide behind a tree). That would address the problem of context, the light just seems to hang there for no particular reason.

    Btw. These patches of light are parhelia, aka sundogs, formed by refraction and reflection in ice crystals floating in the air - they appear on both sides of the sun usually. This particular type of ice halo doesn't form arcs.

    Your landscape would make for some truly fantastic halo shots, you should keep a look out if the weather plays along!
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Tried the crops better worse? Do I just scrap them and work on this one instead?

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  • pyrypyry Registered Users Posts: 1,733 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Kwarta wrote:
    Tried the crops better worse? Do I just scrap them and work on this one instead?

    That one is half way there! If you have shot of the other side (I'm guessing the other sundog is there), stitch it on there.
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  • divamumdivamum Registered Users Posts: 9,021 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Kwarta wrote:
    Tried two different crops either of them better.

    #2
    447194105_wmiiN-L.jpg

    What does it look like if you clone out the posts on this one and then crop it to an even narrower pano? Just musing... not sure if these ideas will work, but no harm in trying :)

    And Pyry, I suspect you're our resident expert on matters to do with low temperatures and light refractions (that said, I'm not sure ND is much warmer, even if it is a little further south. Come to think of it, what ARE the lattitude differences? Just idle curiosity....)
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    pyry wrote:
    That one is half way there! If you have shot of the other side (I'm guessing the other sundog is there), stitch it on there.


    I thought my husband was pulling my leg when he called him sundogs. I guess I owe him an apology... Any way. I do have some of the other part, but there are power lines and I'm not that good a photoshop. YET. but willing to learn.
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    divamum wrote:
    What does it look like if you clone out the posts on this one and then crop it to an even narrower pano? Just musing... not sure if these ideas will work, but no harm in trying :)

    And Pyry, I suspect you're our resident expert on matters to do with low temperatures and light refractions (that said, I'm not sure ND is much warmer, even if it is a little further south. Come to think of it, what ARE the lattitude differences? Just idle curiosity....)


    I have many people who have PCSd from Alaska to here in Minot, ND say its alot colder here than there. But I'm not sure on the lattitude differences. I will try to clone out the post and crop a little more. From the bottom maybe????
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    divamum wrote:
    What does it look like if you clone out the posts on this one and then crop it to an even narrower pano? Just musing... not sure if these ideas will work, but no harm in trying :)

    And Pyry, I suspect you're our resident expert on matters to do with low temperatures and light refractions (that said, I'm not sure ND is much warmer, even if it is a little further south. Come to think of it, what ARE the lattitude differences? Just idle curiosity....)


    Ok cropped and cloned what do ya think???

    447222489_RR6u6-L.jpg
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  • pyrypyry Registered Users Posts: 1,733 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Kwarta wrote:
    I thought my husband was pulling my leg when he called him sundogs. I guess I owe him an apology... Any way. I do have some of the other part, but there are power lines and I'm not that good a photoshop. YET. but willing to learn.

    Just let Photomerge have a go at it and let's see :D

    Kwarta wrote:
    I have many people who have PCSd from Alaska to here in Minot, ND say its alot colder here than there. But I'm not sure on the lattitude differences. I will try to clone out the post and crop a little more. From the bottom maybe????

    The difference in latitude is less than the difference in climate, enough sea means warmer winters than North Dakota (and cooler summers). Finland is at the same latitudes as Alaska.

    As for halos, high altitude clouds are always made of ice, which means they happen year round. The most spectacular ones need some low level ice crystals (a frozen mist, sort of) and that means it needs to be freeze-your-nose-off cold. Downwind of ski slopes with active snow cannons on a cold day is the best place to be. For this kind of shot :D
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  • divamumdivamum Registered Users Posts: 9,021 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Kwarta wrote:
    Ok cropped and cloned what do ya think???

    447222489_RR6u6-L.jpg

    I lIKE this!... now... I wonder if there's any cloning that could be done with the *best* of the rainbows you captured (in any of the shots) to put them back into the scene? Yeah, it's "cheating" a little but... you never know - it might just work to get the scene to what it *really* looked like :D Just a thought (and if you're like me, setting yourself a processing project like that will teach you LOADS as you figure out how to get the effects you want - that's pretty much how i"ve done everything, ie on a "need to know" basis. Yeah, it means I have huge holes in my skillset, but I'm getting there, however slowly :)
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Couldn't get the colors of the cloned ones to look right. To Orange(ish). But I did tweek it with some help from the landscape forum. what do you think???


    Before
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    After

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  • KurtPrestonKurtPreston Registered Users Posts: 285 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    The after shot is looking pretty good now
  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    KurtPreston wrote:
    The after shot is looking pretty good now


    Thank you. I'm still trying to figure out how to get that WOW factor, with Elements.
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  • divamumdivamum Registered Users Posts: 9,021 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    KurtPreston wrote:
    The after shot is looking pretty good now

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  • WacrerWacrer Registered Users Posts: 78 Big grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    Nice pregression :) Excited to see the final submission.
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 5, 2009
    Thank you all for your kindwords and wisdom. I am getting frustrated, annoyed and irritated. I have had a few links to help get that wow factor I was looking for, but just cant get it. UGH. I am about ready to scrap it, but I can't let it beat me. Sorry guys just needed to vent alittle...:pissed
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  • KwartaKwarta Registered Users Posts: 152 Major grins
    edited January 5, 2009
    My final Pic.
    Here's the Before
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    After.
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  • AutonomousAutonomous Registered Users Posts: 40 Big grins
    edited January 8, 2009
    the last picture you posted, the 'after' one, it is a little bit better, but it is definitely a no-no. the rainbow looked so unnatural, it even looked like a meteor on its way to hit that land right there. but everything else is fine just not the rainbow, it looked way too weird, unnatural and feels like theres something unnatural. lol
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