Sound Re-shoot (cc please)

dlplumer

Here is my attempt based upon the feedback you all were kind enough to provide.


Strike

adbsgicom

I like this one more than the first. Though, for me, the reflections and other lane weren't a problem, so I liked having more around image.

JAG

This one is much better in the positioning of the image in the frame. I love that you kept some of the motion blur in it. My only suggestion now would be to darken or loose the lepord skin a the top of the image. Maybe mask it over with a vinette?

dlplumer

JAG wrote:

This one is much better in the positioning of the image in the frame. I love that you kept some of the motion blur in it. My only suggestion now would be to darken or loose the lepord skin a the top of the image. Maybe mask it over with a vinette?

You should have seen how bright it was before I burned it darker. I'll try cloning it out. Thanks Joyce.

JAG

I thought maybe you had tried to burn between the pins too? On my monitor I can see bits of grainy grayish/black mixed in with black/black...plus the skin. I have found that when working with a very dark or black background that you have taken "bits" out of...its always best to make a copy and paste as a new image (stand alone in pp editior) and then bump up your brightness really overly bright. This way you can see where any light black might show up on other's monitors. Never can be sure of what others are seeing. Then I use that as a reference to where I need to burn on the original some more to get those blacks all the way down there. I hope I didn't confuse you...just a little tip for you.

Tango

Compared to your "first" attempts I have nothing good to say. really.

dlplumer

How about this one

The Curious Camel

dlplumer wrote:

How about this one

I hear sound in s l o w m o t i o n.

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The Curious Camel

The Curious Camel wrote:

I hear sound in s l o w m o t i o n.

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Dan, I would try to remove the reflection from the other lane not sure exactly what that it is but it seems to be what seperates the lanes?

Wil Davis

dlplumer wrote:

How about this one
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There's something weird about the changing size of the ball. I would have expected the size to appear to decrease with distance; it seems to do the opposite; also it doesn't appear to go in a straight line. My suggestion for the multi-flash strobe was not only to get the ball in motion, but also to get images of the falling pins. I'm not sure about the distracting stuff to the right of the frame…

I like the smoothness and shine of the alley in the original.

- Wil

sherstone

I'm kind of with Aaron on this - your first incarnation was busier but had more life and "sound".

Sorry if that makes your drawing board a more frustrating mess

sgonen

Danny, I like the first composition and the other two you posted, the long view with the alley and streaks adds the sound of the rolling ball and is better than the closeup view of the pins IMHO. I think streaks for the ball may work better rather than the small balls.

Sounding good though.

Greensquared

This last image is the strongest for me. I'm not sure about the diminishing ball thing, but the angle and movement on the lane/pins works really well.

Gary752

The Curious Camel wrote:

Dan, I would try to remove the reflection from the other lane not sure exactly what that it is but it seems to be what seperates the lanes?

The object to the right is referred to as a kick back. The kick back is partly responsible for most strikes as they cause the pins to fly back across the pin deck to take out any remaining standing pins. The machine itself sits on them as well. There are 2 of these for every lane. In the 80's I was a bowler and a pinsetter mechanic.

GaryB

adbsgicom

Dan, aren't you glad for all the clear consensus?

dlplumer

adbsgicom wrote:

Dan, aren't you glad for all the clear consensus?

Kinkajou

sherstone wrote:

I'm kind of with Aaron on this - your first incarnation was busier but had more life and "sound".

Sorry if that makes your drawing board a more frustrating mess

At this point, you're probably going to have to go with your gut since we all have different thoughts on the images.

divamum

I've been watching this one evolve with interest.

I really liked the original for "volume", but the others all have merit as well- I think it is definitely a "go with your gut" moment.....!!

Tango

dlplumer wrote:

How about this one

I go along with the points made about that last shot...

dlplumer

Latest Effort
I'm still working on it:

JAG

personally Dan, I think you have bettered the composition on this last one! I like the softening effect and the ball shows motion...still not positive that the smaller balls should be closer to the camera but its more believable with them being closer together. If you have those balls on their own layers...maybe you can use the same sized ball on about 3 of them and do a extreme motion blur then fade the layers so they look like ghostly shadows? But I really like the way you are going with this!

Also...I notice you did darken the background and it looks 98% better....just a tad more lightness I see that the brush missed between the 3 pins standing and the ones falling on either side....down low.

sherstone

dlplumer wrote:

I'm still working on it:

Much better motion effect. but the ball almost looks like it changed its mind which direction it wants to go, just before hitting the pins.

It's much cleaner and less distracting elements than your first set but somehow I miss the look of the first.. the gloss of the alley, the light, the environment. The only really bug thing about the first one that was a problem was the reflected words.

dlplumer

sherstone wrote:

Much better motion effect. but the ball almost looks like it changed its mind which direction it wants to go, just before hitting the pins.

It's much cleaner and less distracting elements than your first set but somehow I miss the look of the first.. the gloss of the alley, the light, the environment. The only really bug thing about the first one that was a problem was the reflected words.

Thanks Sean. As soon as the ball hits the head pin, it is deflected to the right. That is what happens.

Lot's of challenges with this challenge

sherstone

dlplumer wrote:

Thanks Sean. As soon as the ball hits the head pin, it is deflected to the right. That is what happens.

Lot's of challenges with this challenge

I was wondering if that was what you were trying to communicate.

richtersl

dlplumer wrote:

How about this one

I love the pin action and seeing the ball hit them. The reflections also look really good. A great capture.

What is unsettling are the faded little versions of the bowling ball. I don't know if you PS'd them in or if that's what your camera actually captured. I find myself looking at them rather than the rest of the photo and thinking "caterpiller".

travelways

richtersl wrote:

I love the pin action and seeing the ball hit them. The reflections also look really good. A great capture.

What is unsettling are the faded little versions of the bowling ball. I don't know if you PS'd them in or if that's what your camera actually captured. I find myself looking at them rather than the rest of the photo and thinking "caterpiller".

I'm wondering if you can give a (softer) motion effect to the ball, without repeating it...

travelways

photo-bug wrote:

I'm wondering if you can give a (softer) motion effect to the ball, without repeating it...

I just thought more about your photo:

"(softer) motion effect" is maybe not not exactly what I should have said -

- one ball with a strong motion effect (shorter) would be what I actually envisioned.

An effect showing the power of the ball striking the pins.

I hope it makes sense and it's feasible...

dlplumer

Here is my latest taking all your feedback into consideration. I still may go back and try to get a strobe shot, but for now here is what I have:

STRIKE

Tango

did i say enough?

one nit... where you stitched together the lanes there is a small mismatch that you can fix...

adbsgicom

Looking good!!!!
Feeling good?

dlplumer

AaronNelson wrote:

did i say enough?

one nit... where you stitched together the lanes there is a small mismatch that you can fix...

There is no stitching here Aaron. That is where they oil the lanes and then stop oiling.

Appreciate the positive feedback man.