Recommendations for a Tripod or Monopod

pennypenny Registered Users Posts: 23 Big grins
edited October 7, 2009 in Accessories
So I recently bought my wife a sonya700 sigma 17-70 lens. She is focusing on childrens photography. This said, she uses both natural and studio lightening. I am wanting to get her a tripod or a monopod. Which ever one would be of most use to her. I have read the forums on here regarding tripods, yet I am clueless when it comes to which one is better then the rest. I have gone to some shops, yet I get the typical biased opinion. Bottom line they try to sell me there brand. To top things off, we live in a city where there are few (only 1) camera dealers who carrys no equipment other then lenses and bodies. My next best thing is bestbuy so its hard to get a good honest opinion and actually be able to see the product first hand.

Your input is much needed. My wife tells me that there are a couple of sony uses on here. I say this because from what I have read you want to factor in the weight of your camera, adjustability, what type of equipment you use and what your trying to accomplish. This said, any ideas of what would serve her purpose.

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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited October 4, 2009
    penny wrote:
    So I recently bought my wife a sonya700 sigma 17-70 lens. She is focusing on childrens photography. This said, she uses both natural and studio lightening. I am wanting to get her a tripod or a monopod. Which ever one would be of most use to her. I have read the forums on here regarding tripods, yet I am clueless when it comes to which one is better then the rest. I have gone to some shops, yet I get the typical biased opinion. Bottom line they try to sell me there brand. To top things off, we live in a city where there are few (only 1) camera dealers who carrys no equipment other then lenses and bodies. My next best thing is bestbuy so its hard to get a good honest opinion and actually be able to see the product first hand.

    Your input is much needed. My wife tells me that there are a couple of sony uses on here. I say this because from what I have read you want to factor in the weight of your camera, adjustability, what type of equipment you use and what your trying to accomplish. This said, any ideas of what would serve her purpose.

    With your wife's current gear and current goals she won't need either. Save for a better glass and/or maybe decent flash.
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • pennypenny Registered Users Posts: 23 Big grins
    edited October 4, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    With your wife's current gear and current goals she won't need either. Save for a better glass and/or maybe decent flash.

    I know she has a decent flash, the Promaster 7500EDf or least this is what we have been told. Whats a better lens? Are tripods more for portrait/nature/sports shooting?
  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2009
    penny wrote:
    I know she has a decent flash, the Promaster 7500EDf or least this is what we have been told.
    Actually You'd be much better off with one of the Sigma flash units than any ProMaster.....several years ago I had to buy a ProMaster cause my Vivatar 285 exploded the day before a wedding shoot and no one had any 285's or a dedicated Nikon flash.....my only option was PM flash......it worked for the wedding and then started giving me troubles....lots of non firing.....Sony flash units are way over priced.
    I will be posting a For Auction in the next few days with a Minolta 5600HS included (Minolta's top flash just before sony buy out)

    Whats a better lens?
    That 17-70 is an excellent lens....great for groups (family portraits or weddings if she ventures that way), its only short coming is that it is a variable aperture lens....if it was a constant f2.8 that would make it even better.....so for bettter lens any of the f2.8 lenses from Sigma or any of the fast glass from Minolta as long as it has not been abused.....Minolta made some very great glass...........

    Are tripods more for portrait/nature/sports shooting?
    I guess I am an old school shooter......I use tripods.....A LOT.....both in studio settings and outdoors, for portraits and weddings, and nature shooting......I have one lens with VR and one without.....even with KM 7D's I used tripods and those bodies had anti-shake just like your A700.....anti shake can save a shot in a pinch but I do not care who you are......no human is a match for a good solid tripod......I use GIOTTOS tripod and monopod....I have used manfrotto/bogen and other brands but so far the Giottos has been the best for the money invested.

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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2009
    penny wrote:
    I know she has a decent flash, the Promaster 7500EDf or least this is what we have been told. Whats a better lens? Are tripods more for portrait/nature/sports shooting?
    I cannot advise on sony lenses, don';t know that world that well.
    Tripos/monopods are fairly useless for kids, they move too much/too fast. Unless we're talking wek old babies.. In any case for studio work I'd recomment a shooting stand not a *-pod. And for the outdoors you can just handhold.

    Tripods are needed for stable envirnaments and long exposures. People, especially kids, do not qualify. Monopods (and in certain cases tripods) are used to support very long and heavy lenses - when you don't own. Hence - no need for either...
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    Tripos/monopods are fairly useless for kids, they move too much/too fast. Unless we're talking wek old babies..

    I have shot several hundred kids from a few days old to 21yrs and done them all from a TRIPOD.....if a person is too unwilling to behave properly for a portrait then they need to be disciplined right then in front of the creator {she will condone it} and general public.........it is not useless to use a pod for studio or outdoor portraits......I still do it and it gives me a place to leave my cam for pose changes.....



    Tripods are needed for stable envirnaments and long exposures.
    If the environment is stable you shouldn't need a stabilizer of any kind......

    People, especially kids, do not qualify.
    EXACTLY!!!....most people are not stable......and should use a tri or monopod when shooting to give the most stable platform for their camera and to get the best possible results for their clients ALWAYS!!!

    Monopods (and in certain cases tripods) are used to support very long and heavy lenses - when you don't own. Hence - no need for either...
    again disgagree with you.......A t-pod would be used more to support very long/heavy lenses as opposed to a Monopod....used to support medium and moderate lenses and occaisionlly the long lens.......LOTS of nature photogs shoot from a tripod for wildlife and birds and other wildthings are faster moving than most children.....
    You cannot fold up a shooting stand and hang it off a cam back pack or toss into the trunk of your car to take to a location shoot either.....unless you have a dedicated studio for a shooting stand to live they are pretty much worthless......a good one is large and not easy to store, my own experience with them.......give me a t-pod any day......
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2009
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    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2009
    I shoot the A700 as well.
    penny wrote:
    I know she has a decent flash, the Promaster 7500EDf or least this is what we have been told.
    I agree with Art that you could do better flash-wise, but I'd recommend you find someone selling a used Sony. She'll be amazed what she can do with an F56AM or F58AM. Even the F42AM would be a step up. Still...I'd probably spend the cash on glass.
    Whats a better lens?
    Better means higher quality optics and faster aperture. I've found the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 to outperform the Sigma 17-70, though the 50mm is a bit short for portraits so I understand your choice.

    If I were in her shoes I would add two lenses to my collection. A Minolta 50mm f/1.7 will only cost you about $100 and is an excellent portrait lens on a crop-sensor camera like the A700. The f/1.7 will make it possible to take advantage of natural lighting far more often than the Sigma's aperture at 50mm.

    Then, unless all the children portraits are taken in a very cramped studio, I'd pick up a Tamron 90mm Macro. This is $500 but may well be the best portrait lens A-mount offers. (I'd be interested to hear Art's opinion on that - he's been shooting Minolta longer than I've been alive!)
    Are tripods more for portrait/nature/sports shooting?
    I think tripods have a more broad range of use than Nik indicates but I completely agree with him that a tripod is unnecessary for children portraiture.
  • Scott_QuierScott_Quier Registered Users Posts: 6,524 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2009
    When you decide to buy the tripod, don't skimp on the $$$. Good ones don't come cheap and you don't want a bad one. Check out this web page.

    For studio work, weight isn't much of an issue as your wife isn't going to lugging the tripod around much. So get a good solid one. A tripod with fewer leg sections will, all else being equal, make for a more sturdy/solid tripod.

    The thread is quite recent and might give you a good starting point. You can also check the "Reviews You Can Use". You'll find there are more than just a couple tripod reviews to be found there.
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2009
    Pupator wrote:
    I think tripods have a more broad range of use than Nik indicates....
    Oh Paul, of course they do:-). They can be used as walking sticks (albeit monoponds are better in that respect), clubs (especially with 1D body mounted on top), etc. I use mine as a notebook holder during the tethered shooting all the time. The number of application is endless.. mwink.gifrolleyes1.gif
    But, as we already agreed, they are pretty useless for shooting fast moving kids... ne_nau.gif Possible exception: mandatory schoolbook protraits, where you have a lot of certain-type assistants (provided by school) that would make sure the poor subject is going to sit in that chair... mwink.gif Luckily, I don't do this stuff... rolleyes1.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited October 5, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    Oh Paul, of course they do:-). They can be used as walking sticks (albeit monoponds are better in that respect), clubs (especially with 1D body mounted on top), etc. I use mine as a notebook holder during the tethered shooting all the time. The number of application is endless.. mwink.gifrolleyes1.gif


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    When I wrote that sentence I was actually hoping you'd come back with something like this! I knew you were painting with broad brush strokes, as was I. And I agree - for shooting portraits of children a killer portrait lens is a much, much higher priority item than a tripod (somewhere at the bottom of the list).

    To the OP: Scott is also right on the money. When you do decide to buy a tripod, don't buy junk. You'll regret it later.

    Best Buy has a couple of (overpriced) Manfrottos that wouldn't buy, but you can test them out in the store and quickly see the difference between even a low-end Manfrotto and the highest end of the junk lines.
  • pennypenny Registered Users Posts: 23 Big grins
    edited October 6, 2009
    So is the Promaster 7500EDf a good flash? These are the specs.
    • Guide Number: 138 (ISO 100, 105mm)
    • TTL Auto Range: 2�-99� (ISO 100)
    • Motorized Zoom: 24mm-105mm
    • Power Source: 4 AA alkaline or PROMASTER rechargeable NiMH batteries
    • Recycling Time: 0.3-10 seconds
    • Angle of Coverage: 92� H 75� V (with diffuser): Covers 17mm lens on 35mm camera or 12mm lens on digital format SLR 78� H 60� V (without diffuser): Covers 24mm lens on 35mm camera or 17mm lens on digital format SLR
    • Bounce Angle: -7� to 90�
    • Swivel Angle: 0� to 180�
    • AF illuminator for autofocusing
    • Front and rear flash-ready light
    • LCD display panel
    • Full digital auto TTL dedication
    • TTL Auto, Manual, Multiple, Modeling, Slave
    • Flash upgradeable by your PROMASTER dealer
    It compares to sony's Sony HVL-F42AM flash. That said, besides her Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 she has a Sony 50mm/1.4.

    I know Art said a Sigma flash. Also Art which Sigma do you recommend, the 530 St or the 530 Super?

    I was looking at picking up a Sigma 10-20/3.5 or the Sigma 18-50/2.8 or even maybe Sigma's 20/1.8, 24/1.8 or 28/1.8. I want to make sure she has an arsenal of lenses to where she can do different things. Any thoughts?<!-- Product Description Ends Here --><!-- begin footer ztag cLTGqie6 --><!-- end main div -->
  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited October 7, 2009
    Glad to hear that she already has a 50mm, and the f/1.4 is nice. But for great portraits the next lens should be something longer, not something wider as all the lenses you listed. Look for something really nice in the 70-90mm range (I again commend the Tamron macro, which can be found used for pretty good prices).
  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited October 7, 2009
    If you're really set on Sigma, here's a Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG for $300.

    http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/fs-sigma-105-f28-ex-dg_topic53358.html

    It's not mine I just saw it on the forums.
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