can somone break down canon body lineup for me...nikon guy

Qarik

I was surprised to learn the new mark 4 was crop sensor with 1.3 mag factor. I assumed it was full frame. Is this primarily a sport camera then with hybrid size sensor for lower light capabaility but still keep some zoom?

From what I gather..the 5D series is full frame?

craig_d

Before 2005, when the first full-frame model (the original 5D) was introduced, Canon DSLRs were either APS-C 1.6x (the Rebels and the double-digit-D models), or APS-H 1.3x (the professional 1D model). Why they chose to introduce full-frame in a less expensive model on the border between pro and prosumer, I don't know, but that's what they did. Next, they introduced a professional full-frame model, the 1Ds, which did not replace the 1D but simply co-existed with it.

Sorted by approximate street prices, the current line-up looks like this:

1Ds Mark III ($6600+) - full-frame
1D Mark IV ($5000) - APS-H 1.3x
5D Mark II ($2700) - full-frame
7D ($1800) - APS-C
50D ($1200) - APS-C
Rebels ($500 - $1000) - APS-C

Some people prefer the 1.3x crop format because they like discarding the corners where vignetting and edge softness are at their worst, without losing as much of the field of view as APS-C 1.6x does.

My guess is that a full-frame IDs Mark IV will be introduced next year.

Qarik

craig_d wrote:

Before 2005, when the first full-frame model (the original 5D) was introduced, Canon DSLRs were either APS-C 1.6x (the Rebels and the double-digit-D models), or APS-H 1.3x (the professional 1D model). Why they chose to introduce full-frame in a less expensive model on the border between pro and prosumer, I don't know, but that's what they did. Next, they introduced a professional full-frame model, the 1Ds, which did not replace the 1D but simply co-existed with it.

Sorted by approximate street prices, the current line-up looks like this:

1Ds Mark III ($6600+) - full-frame
1D Mark IV ($5000) - APS-H 1.3x
5D Mark II ($2700) - full-frame
7D ($1800) - APS-C
50D ($1200) - APS-C
Rebels ($500 - $1000) - APS-C

Some people prefer the 1.3x crop format because they like discarding the corners where vignetting and edge softness are at their worst, without losing as much of the field of view as APS-C 1.6x does.

My guess is that a full-frame IDs Mark IV will be introduced next year.

so the 1ds mark II an I were a APS-H 1.3X sensor?

ziggy53

Qarik wrote:

I was surprised to learn the new mark 4 was crop sensor with 1.3 mag factor. I assumed it was full frame. Is this primarily a sport camera then with hybrid size sensor for lower light capabaility but still keep some zoom?

From what I gather..the 5D series is full frame?

The Canon "1Ds" series cameras and "5D/5D MKII" are full frame. The "1D" series have always been crop 1.3x/APS-H format.

The 1D series cameras are designed for sports, news, event, wildlife and studio.

The format was originally used by Kodak's professional photographic division and ended with the Kodak DCS 760 (I think), which was Nikon based.

Qarik

ziggy53 wrote:

The Canon "1Ds" series cameras and "5D/5D MKII" are full frame. The "1D" series have always been crop 1.3x/APS-H format.

The 1D series cameras are designed for sports, news, event, wildlife and studio.

The format was originally used by Kodak's professional photographic division and ended with the Kodak DCS 760 (I think), which was Nikon based.

ahhh..1D vs 1Ds. thanks

craig_d

No, the 1Ds has always been full-frame.

The rule so far is that the 1Ds and 5D are full-frame, the 1D is APS-H 1.3x, and everything else is APS-C 1.6x.

Oddly, although I've often read and heard that the 5D in 2005 was the first full-frame DSLR, I see that Canon's online museum lists a full-frame 1Ds that was apparently introduced in 2002. So it looks like I was slightly off on the history; there was a pro full-frame model first, and the 5D came later.

Qarik

so vs the nikon lineup

1Ds Mark III ($6600+) - full-frame, competes with D3 and D3s: full frame $5k
1D Mark IV ($5000) - APS-H 1.3x, no real analog in nikon world
5D Mark II ($2700) - full-frame, 1/2 competes with D700 which is full frame but only 12M and 1/2 competes with D3X with 24M
7D ($1800) - APS-C, competes with D300/D300S
50D ($1200) - APS-C, competes with D90/D200
Rebels ($500 - $1000) - APS-C, competes with D80,D70,D60,D40,D5000, D3000, etc.

cab.in.boston

One thing I've been curious about is why does the 7D, a crop sensor camera, come with the 28-135mm lens? I'd think they'd want to give it an 18-xx so you don't lose the wide end.

craig_d

cab.in.boston wrote:

One thing I've been curious about is why does the 7D, a crop sensor camera, come with the 28-135mm lens? I'd think they'd want to give it an 18-xx so you don't lose the wide end.

Especially since Canon announced new EF-S 15-85mm and 18-135mm lenses at the same time as the 7D, either of which would have been an obvious choice to pair with the new camera! I don't know what's up with that. Temporary supply issue, perhaps? The 15-85mm doesn't seem to be available yet, though the 18-135mm is.

insanefred

Qarik wrote:

so vs the nikon lineup

1Ds Mark III ($6600+) - full-frame, $5k. D3x full frame.
1D Mark IV ($5000) - APS-H 1.3x, competes with D3 and D3s but is full frame:
5D Mark II ($2700) - full-frame, 1/2 competes with D700 which is full frame but only 12M and 1/2 competes with D3X with 24M
7D ($1800) - APS-C, competes with D300/D300S
50D ($1200) - APS-C, competes with D90/D200
Rebels ($500 - $1000) - APS-C, competes with D80,D70,D60,D40,D5000, D3000, etc.

close

rookieshooter

insanefred wrote:

close

1Ds MKIII -- competes with D3x
1d MKIV -- competes with D3/D3s
5dMkII -- competes sort of with D700
7D -- competes with D300/D300s
50D -- competes with D90
etc...

Qarik

rookieshooter wrote:

1Ds MKIII -- competes with D3x
1d MKIV -- competes with D3/D3s
5dMkII -- competes sort of with D700
7D -- competes with D300/D300s
50D -- competes with D90
etc...

ahh..I just looked at teh 1ds mark III spec..21MPs. so yes D3X.


Daniel