Try telling this to a client who wants images the day after a shoot Or worse-- images the client wants that day (and yes, that happens. When someone hires you for a shoot, they're generally not going to be pleased if you tell them they have to wait for what they are paying you for)
I'm literally processing images right now from an all-day commercial shoot yesterday that the client needs this afternoon. Everything was shot in RAW but with a streamlined post-processing, I'll have them on a DVD and delivered in about an hour. Not bad considering the shoot ended yesterday at 5:30 p.m. and I didn't start working on them until this morning and there's 292 files.
Sorry that you don't find my posts helpful. Just trying to show you how to speed things up and make more money in less time. I suspect you'll get tired of grinding through hours of post-processing after every shoot, but I have been known to be wrong in the past and this may be another one of those situations.
Try telling this to a client who wants images the day after a shoot Or worse-- images the client wants that day (and yes, that happens. When someone hires you for a shoot, they're generally not going to be pleased if you tell them they have to wait for what they are paying you for)
I'm literally processing images right now from an all-day commercial shoot yesterday that the client needs this afternoon. Everything was shot in RAW but with a streamlined post-processing, I'll have them on a DVD and delivered in about an hour. Not bad considering the shoot ended yesterday at 5:30 p.m. and I didn't start working on them until this morning and there's 292 files.
Sorry that you don't find my posts helpful. Just trying to show you how to speed things up and make more money in less time. I suspect you'll get tired of grinding through hours of post-processing after every shoot, but I have been known to be wrong in the past and this may be another one of those situations.
I can't say for sure, as I am not him, But with a client of mine, they would know ahead of time the processing time it takes. I personally wouldn't tell a client that I can have the files ready for them within 24 hours, even if I only had 5 images to edit.
I did not say that I don't find your posts helpful. On the contrary, they are very helpful. Everyone has their own ways of doing things, their own view on how things should be done, and what looks good. I've just started to learn one way, yours is just another way, there is nothing wrong with it. This is what makes each photographer, individuality. One thing, is he doesn't edit all 300 photos he takes. He goes in looking for one shot, maybe 5 (i am really just guessing again, as I am not him). But I know for a couple of the jobs I assisted with, he was looking for one shot. And usually ends up with more that he really puts his time and skills into to edit properly (for his style of work).
Like I said earlier, I'd love an opportunity to assist with you, as any knowledge is good knowledge as far as I'm concerned. I'm trying to learn as much as I can, from any good source that I can.
Actually-- most top commercial photogs hire someone else to retouch their photos. And some magazines, like Nylon, actually prefer to publish unretouched photos.
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Some do, some don't and many have their own retouchers on staff. It really depends on your market, your client and use. When you command $25,000 and up for a shoot, it's a different level than you will find here on Dgrin.
Some do, some don't and many have their own retouchers on staff. It really depends on your market, your client and use. When you command $25,000 and up for a shoot, it's a different level than you will find here on Dgrin.
The OP was not even paid close to $25,000 for the photos he posted here. I'm not sure how it's helpful to point out that if he was a commercial photographer making $25K per shoot that he could justify spending 3-4 hours retouching an image. This is obviously not the case.
I gave some practical tips on how he could improve his photography and spend less time retouching. How about giving some tips like that, ChatKat, instead of taking this thread on a tangent that has nothing to do his original post?
As far as response, Pete - it was to you who said retouching for hours wasn't in the norm where I stated that at some levels of photography it was. I didn't take it off topic - but I responded with knowledge and I can assure you that there are many people here at dgrin who might spend that kind of time on one photo. I don't do that my self - but it is not unheard of by any means.
Well you have both extremes, overprocessed and these last ones not processed enough.
Back off a little bit, these are to close, and just process the bare minimum to even out the skin a little.
Just an update....I'm working on them, Candid....was quite busy this weekend but have one done.....just haven't had the time to sit and hammer it out (about 15 minutes per)....should get er done this afternoon after an appt.
BTW, the one with the girl in white.....that's a much closer edit to what I've done...the others are too much or not enough as Zoomer stated. I'll put them side by side in PS on one pallet.
Just an update....I'm working on them, Candid....was quite busy this weekend but have one done.....just haven't had the time to sit and hammer it out (about 15 minutes per)....should get er done this afternoon after an appt.
BTW, the one with the girl in white.....that's a much closer edit to what I've done...the others are too much or not enough as Zoomer stated. I'll put them side by side in PS on one pallet.
In the meantime...go shoot some more stuff :D:D
Hey Swartzy, was wondering if you ever ended up having time to work on any of these?
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Try telling this to a client who wants images the day after a shoot
I'm literally processing images right now from an all-day commercial shoot yesterday that the client needs this afternoon. Everything was shot in RAW but with a streamlined post-processing, I'll have them on a DVD and delivered in about an hour. Not bad considering the shoot ended yesterday at 5:30 p.m. and I didn't start working on them until this morning and there's 292 files.
Sorry that you don't find my posts helpful. Just trying to show you how to speed things up and make more money in less time. I suspect you'll get tired of grinding through hours of post-processing after every shoot, but I have been known to be wrong in the past and this may be another one of those situations.
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I can't say for sure, as I am not him, But with a client of mine, they would know ahead of time the processing time it takes. I personally wouldn't tell a client that I can have the files ready for them within 24 hours, even if I only had 5 images to edit.
I did not say that I don't find your posts helpful. On the contrary, they are very helpful. Everyone has their own ways of doing things, their own view on how things should be done, and what looks good. I've just started to learn one way, yours is just another way, there is nothing wrong with it. This is what makes each photographer, individuality. One thing, is he doesn't edit all 300 photos he takes. He goes in looking for one shot, maybe 5 (i am really just guessing again, as I am not him). But I know for a couple of the jobs I assisted with, he was looking for one shot. And usually ends up with more that he really puts his time and skills into to edit properly (for his style of work).
Like I said earlier, I'd love an opportunity to assist with you, as any knowledge is good knowledge as far as I'm concerned. I'm trying to learn as much as I can, from any good source that I can.
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My Equipment:
Bodies: Canon 50D, Canon EOS 1
Lenses: Canon 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS, Canon 50mm f/1.4, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8
Lighting: Canon 580EXII, Canon 420 EX, 12" Reflector, Pocket Wizard Plus II (3), AB800 (3), Large Softbox
Stability: Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 Tripod, Manfrotto 488RC4 Ball Head, Manfrotto 679B Monopod
How did I do?
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OneTwoFiftieth | Portland, Oregon | Modern Portraiture
My Equipment:
Bodies: Canon 50D, Canon EOS 1
Lenses: Canon 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS, Canon 50mm f/1.4, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8
Lighting: Canon 580EXII, Canon 420 EX, 12" Reflector, Pocket Wizard Plus II (3), AB800 (3), Large Softbox
Stability: Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 Tripod, Manfrotto 488RC4 Ball Head, Manfrotto 679B Monopod
Thoughts on this and the previous photos?
Thank you!
OneTwoFiftieth | Portland, Oregon | Modern Portraiture
My Equipment:
Bodies: Canon 50D, Canon EOS 1
Lenses: Canon 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS, Canon 50mm f/1.4, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8
Lighting: Canon 580EXII, Canon 420 EX, 12" Reflector, Pocket Wizard Plus II (3), AB800 (3), Large Softbox
Stability: Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 Tripod, Manfrotto 488RC4 Ball Head, Manfrotto 679B Monopod
Some do, some don't and many have their own retouchers on staff. It really depends on your market, your client and use. When you command $25,000 and up for a shoot, it's a different level than you will find here on Dgrin.
Flash Frozen Photography, Inc.
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I gave some practical tips on how he could improve his photography and spend less time retouching. How about giving some tips like that, ChatKat, instead of taking this thread on a tangent that has nothing to do his original post?
Portland, Oregon Photographer Pete Springer
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As far as response, Pete - it was to you who said retouching for hours wasn't in the norm where I stated that at some levels of photography it was. I didn't take it off topic - but I responded with knowledge and I can assure you that there are many people here at dgrin who might spend that kind of time on one photo. I don't do that my self - but it is not unheard of by any means.
Flash Frozen Photography, Inc.
http://flashfrozenphotography.com
Now...about these photos...
OneTwoFiftieth | Portland, Oregon | Modern Portraiture
My Equipment:
Bodies: Canon 50D, Canon EOS 1
Lenses: Canon 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS, Canon 50mm f/1.4, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8
Lighting: Canon 580EXII, Canon 420 EX, 12" Reflector, Pocket Wizard Plus II (3), AB800 (3), Large Softbox
Stability: Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 Tripod, Manfrotto 488RC4 Ball Head, Manfrotto 679B Monopod
Back off a little bit, these are to close, and just process the bare minimum to even out the skin a little.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21695902@N06/
http://500px.com/Shockey
alloutdoor.smugmug.com
http://aoboudoirboise.smugmug.com/
BTW, the one with the girl in white.....that's a much closer edit to what I've done...the others are too much or not enough as Zoomer stated. I'll put them side by side in PS on one pallet.
In the meantime...go shoot some more stuff
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Weddings/Portraits and anything else that catches my eye.
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Hey Swartzy, was wondering if you ever ended up having time to work on any of these?
OneTwoFiftieth | Portland, Oregon | Modern Portraiture
My Equipment:
Bodies: Canon 50D, Canon EOS 1
Lenses: Canon 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS, Canon 50mm f/1.4, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8
Lighting: Canon 580EXII, Canon 420 EX, 12" Reflector, Pocket Wizard Plus II (3), AB800 (3), Large Softbox
Stability: Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 Tripod, Manfrotto 488RC4 Ball Head, Manfrotto 679B Monopod