Flash bracket vs. no flash bracket

Kevin CTMPKevin CTMP Registered Users Posts: 81 Big grins
edited April 13, 2010 in Accessories
Does anyone here know any alternatives to using a flash bracket?

I know how important it is to have the flash be on top, but I absolutely hate using a bracket. they're bulky, annoying, and take up lots of space in my bag. plus, I use a camera-flip style model and it never seems to work quite right, It always ends up wanting to flip on me when I don't want it too...I've also tried using the flash-flip style, but it just feels much to awkward for me and I end up missing shots while fumbling with it.

I'm wondering if anyone has had any luck at weddings NOT using a bracket. I have a Gary Fong Lightsphere which some say can be used in lieu of a bracket, but I've never tried it. I also usually try to bounce of of somthing other than the ceiling, which helps with my shadows. I went to a David Ziser seminar and he talked briefly about how he doesn't use one. But he also has and assistant who holds a reflector whereas I fly solo. someone also told me one time that if your not shooting with a bracket it could cause you to look un-professional to some.

any info would be much appreciated

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  • QarikQarik Registered Users Posts: 4,959 Major grins
    edited April 7, 2010
    Kevin CTMP wrote:
    Does anyone here know any alternatives to using a flash bracket?

    I know how important it is to have the flash be on top, but I absolutely hate using a bracket. they're bulky, annoying, and take up lots of space in my bag. plus, I use a camera-flip style model and it never seems to work quite right, It always ends up wanting to flip on me when I don't want it too...I've also tried using the flash-flip style, but it just feels much to awkward for me and I end up missing shots while fumbling with it.

    I'm wondering if anyone has had any luck at weddings NOT using a bracket. I have a Gary Fong Lightsphere which some say can be used in lieu of a bracket, but I've never tried it. I also usually try to bounce of of somthing other than the ceiling, which helps with my shadows. I went to a David Ziser seminar and he talked briefly about how he doesn't use one. But he also has and assistant who holds a reflector whereas I fly solo. someone also told me one time that if your not shooting with a bracket it could cause you to look un-professional to some.

    any info would be much appreciated

    I don't use one though I have considered one. You seem to be under the impression that you "need" one but the only compelling reason imo to get one is to avoid side shadows. I have shot plenty of parties and such with out one using a fong sphere or straight bounce. I have also looked through a few thousand of my own shots to specifically look for objectionable side shadows when I was considering a bracket. I found a couple of dozen. Of those, 1/3 of them were so slight that they didn't bother me. The rest were bothersome..some very bothersome. Some were bothersome but were tossers for other reasons. So in the end there were maybe 10 shots out of say 3k that were good or great otherwise but were ruined by side shadows.

    In my calculus this was an acceptable ratio not to use one.

    Your shooting style or risk assessment maybe different but that is how I made my decision.

    I don't think that shooitng with out a bracket will make you look "unprofessional" though.
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  • JohnBiggsJohnBiggs Registered Users Posts: 841 Major grins
    edited April 7, 2010
    I ditched my bracket... I am using the original Joe Demb flip-it instead...

    You strap the flipit to the flash sideways like in the picture here.
    http://www.biggstudios.com/Other/Equipment/8204173_SYFed#807370852_MVKMd-A-LB

    Then when you turn your camera to the side, you bend the flash 90 degrees.

    The new joe demb will work the same, but adds a little more bulk. This old style lets me pack my flash into my domke bag without removing the reflector.
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  • Kevin CTMPKevin CTMP Registered Users Posts: 81 Big grins
    edited April 8, 2010
    JohnBiggs wrote:
    I ditched my bracket... I am using the original Joe Demb flip-it instead...

    You strap the flipit to the flash sideways like in the picture here.
    http://www.biggstudios.com/Other/Equipment/8204173_SYFed#807370852_MVKMd-A-LB

    Then when you turn your camera to the side, you bend the flash 90 degrees.

    The new joe demb will work the same, but adds a little more bulk. This old style lets me pack my flash into my domke bag without removing the reflector.

    I have looked into the flip-its before....i ended up settling on a lightsphere though...I'll also sometime use the lightsphere along with the small catchlight thats on the 580ex. do you think I could get the same results with the lighsphere? or would a flip-it have a better result in lieu of the bracket
  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited April 8, 2010
    I have used brackets for over 25 yrs shooting weddings and portraits.........I use them to get the flash up off the camera........just like in a studio you do not want your flash level with the camera or subject......so we raise, even studio flash, above our cameras and subjects to drive the shadows down and back out of line of sight.........
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  • angevin1angevin1 Registered Users Posts: 3,403 Major grins
    edited April 9, 2010
    JohnBiggs wrote:
    I ditched my bracket... I am using the original Joe Demb flip-it instead...

    You strap the flipit to the flash sideways like in the picture here.
    http://www.biggstudios.com/Other/Equipment/8204173_SYFed#807370852_MVKMd-A-LB

    Then when you turn your camera to the side, you bend the flash 90 degrees.

    The new joe demb will work the same, but adds a little more bulk. This old style lets me pack my flash into my domke bag without removing the reflector.

    Ditto! and you can vary the amount of flash bounce and flash forward as desired, quickly changing to more or less of one or the other as needed~
    tom wise
  • JohnBiggsJohnBiggs Registered Users Posts: 841 Major grins
    edited April 11, 2010
    angevin1 wrote:
    Ditto! and you can vary the amount of flash bounce and flash forward as desired, quickly changing to more or less of one or the other as needed~

    Yes, the flippit has that fastest method possible to adjust the amount of flash hitting the subject. Just fold forward or back some. You would be suprised how little of a bend can adjust a full stop.

    The light sphere is also a great tool from what I read however I didn't get it for 2 reasons. 1. I like to pack lots in as little of a space as possible. 2. Another pro told be the weight from the sphere eventually broke the foot off his flash. I've not heard anyone else with that problem but I have also heard that it will wear out the joint lock on the flash head.
    Canon Gear: 5D MkII, 30D, 85 1.2 L, 70-200 2.8 IS L, 17-40mm f4 L, 50 1.4, 580EX, 2x 580EXII, Canon 1.4x TC, 300 f4 IS L, 100mm 2.8 Macro, 100-400 IS L
    Other Gear: Olympus E-PL1, Pan 20 1.7, Fuji 3D Camera, Lensbaby 2.0, Tamron 28-75 2.8, Alien Bees lighting, CyberSyncs, Domke, HONL, FlipIt.
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  • QarikQarik Registered Users Posts: 4,959 Major grins
    edited April 12, 2010
    JohnBiggs wrote:
    Yes, the flippit has that fastest method possible to adjust the amount of flash hitting the subject. Just fold forward or back some. You would be suprised how little of a bend can adjust a full stop.

    The light sphere is also a great tool from what I read however I didn't get it for 2 reasons. 1. I like to pack lots in as little of a space as possible. 2. Another pro told be the weight from the sphere eventually broke the foot off his flash. I've not heard anyone else with that problem but I have also heard that it will wear out the joint lock on the flash head.

    note the flippit will still have the same issues with side shadows in portrait mode. Only way to truly get rid of side shadows is a bracket, pure bounce with no light going forward, shoot in landcape mode, or always shoot subject far away from walls.
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  • rwellsrwells Registered Users Posts: 6,084 Major grins
    edited April 13, 2010
    I highly recommend reading Neil Van Neikerk's excellent blog: www.planetneil.com

    This link specifically will help you achieve what you are after. I attended one of Neil's workshops, and can attest that you can successfully achieve great results with your flash on-camera.

    Here are some of my shots from said workshop.


    Hope that helps...
    Randy
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