Does gear really matter?
tenoverthenose
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It seems to me like there has been a lot of discussion here lately about camera gear and specifically what gear to use for weddings. As some of you may know, I had been asked by three clients in a row what gear specifically I used as they looked at my photographs and albums. Honestly I didn't know how to respond. Sure I could list off every piece of gear I use, but that's not what they really wanted to know. They wanted to make sure that I was using gear that was up to their standards.
Does having more expensive (seemingly better) gear make us better photographers and/or make our work more valuable in and of itself?
I just wrote a longer version of this on my blog. What do you think?
Does having more expensive (seemingly better) gear make us better photographers and/or make our work more valuable in and of itself?
I just wrote a longer version of this on my blog. What do you think?
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A good photographer can use whatever gear and whatever style and create amazing images.
A poor photographer can't do it with even the best gear.
It is not the gear.
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I say, no, it absolutely doesn't matter, BUT you've got to know what you've got, what it does and how to use it. Clients should respect you for your WORK, not for what you use.
For example, I attended a friend's wedding in October, she wanted me there as she was getting ready, knowing her photog wouldn't do it. I brought my entire kit (at the time, pre-40D) and ONLY used my XT, 50 f/1.8 and NO flash. So a camera I got consignment for $200, a $100 lens and that's it. Her mom bought hundreds of dollars worth of my prints. Just because you spend obsene amounts of money on top of the line gear, does not make you a top of the line photographer worth obsene amounts of money. I scoped out her "pro's" equipment, he spend over ten times more on just the gear that I saw (before his lights) than I did on my XT/50 combination. His shots were AWFUL, full of harsh side lighting and out of control flash that just didn't do her justice - at ALL. He kept giving me weird "What are YOU shooting with?" looks, but I didn't care.
I mentioned this thread to my husband and his example: We went on a photoshoot just for portfolio purposes in September, one girl I barely knew and her cousin volunteered to bring prom dresses out on a rainy, muddy day. The cousin's favorite picture (which is STILL her Facebook picture) was taken with a $25 Holga on black and white film. We had three shooters there and her favorite was taken with a toy.
Know the limits of your gear, but don't let your outdated or lower end gear be an excuse for a bad shot. Maybe sometimes it can even help your creativity to push a "lesser" piece of gear to it's absolute limit. Obviously fast glass is a must at times, but don't think you have to have the latest and greatest in what you do.
Anton Corbin's shot with disposable cameras many many times, it's all in knowing what your camera can do.
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No more expensive gear does not make any one a better photog if they truly know how to use the gear they have........However in a wedding Situation You need to have gear that will do the job with Minimal fuss and guess work........
Remember a wedding can be as fast as a lot of sports.....especially during the recessional and if your camera can't keep up there are missed photos........how will it do at high ISO's............
You do not want a camera that can't keep up with the processional or recessional or that can't shoot at an iso higher than 400 if needed also your speed lights need to be fast recyelers,so battery packs are essential........
I used to drive people nuts when they tried to look at my camera bodies name plate.......I had black duct tape (before I learned of gaff tape) over all of the info plates.....or a prospective client would ask, as they did you.....what gear I used and RI would answer.....the proper gear for the job......NO NO NO what brand do you use......My reply.....what brand do you want me to use?? I can rent anything you desire me to shoot with........
I rented Hassy's and lenses for clients that demanded the best equipment.........figured I was in the service industry and would give the client what they wanted....my local rental company has long went out of business and that is a crying shame........
just becasue a pro can get decent results with rebel and 50 1.8 doesn't mean "gear absolutely doesn't matter". If you can't get the shot you want because your gear won't let you ..then gear matters.
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Yes, but to an extent, it doesn't matter. During a wedding, yes, you need a camera that can handle a high ISO.
Nobody asks the carpenter building your cabinet what brand hammer he uses, you have cabinets at the end of the day/week/month/year...
And I second what Art said about taping over the brand names, that sounds like a great idea, actually. (Gaffer's tape is a staple in our house, between the photographer and the musician, we swear by that stuff)
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you always hear..a good pro with point and shoot can out do an ametuer with $5000 slr. This is situational. Yes the pro will be able to get amazing results by fully taking advantage with the llimitations that he has. But what can the pro do with the $5000 slr? A lot more. So yeah...equpiment matters.
I imagine customers who ask about equipment are just doing their due diligence on photographer and to get warm fuzzy.
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This is pointless 90% of the time, right? I mean, if you take someone off the street and ask them if they know the difference between a Nikon D40 and a Canon 40D, A 7D, XTi, and a 5DMII, a 70-200 f2.8 and a 70-200 f4... I think it's safe to say that good number of people would admit that it all sounds like a jumble of numbers and doesn't mean anything to them. I mean, it would be like me asking what kind of tools the dude who fixes the dent on my car door uses. He could tell me he uses a potato and that would be just fine as long as he knows what he's doing and in the end my door looks like a door again.
Anyway, I guess my point of all this rambling is that if they are asking because they actually know something about cameras and are just curious, give them as much info as they want and use it as a bonding experience. If they're asking because some wedding website told them to ask, then it might be better to just grab the camera and show it to them.
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What makes it tough to debate is the fact that no one wants to make a paid job a guinea pig. But fantasy abounds, and I think that if I attended a wedding as a guest, with no equipment, I could do a damn good job with the best camera in possession of another guest, or purchased at the local big box "wedding impossible" style.
On the other side, I've done many weddings where guests have nicer camera bodies and lenses than I did. Was I somehow nervous that they would get better images than me? Not in the slightest.
I have come to view my gear as tools that give me options to express my vision. Over the years I have collected the tools that get the job done for me, the way that I see things. I sold my 50 1.2 and "downgraded" to the 50 1.4 and would be shocked if anyone could tell the difference by looking at a print. I use a 1DII outside for action because of its focusing ability over my 5DII - despite its megapixel rating. I use the 35 2.0 instead of the 35 1.4 because I like the sound the 2.0 makes... wait, that's not right.
If I present my work (which does cover a vast range of photographic situations including dim ceremonies, dark receptions, and fast moving processionals) and the client loves them, what difference does it make how I got there? The camera itself does not create photographs, the photographer does. I know my gear inside & out and can tell what a shot will look like before I touch my camera.
I remember your FB status message about this! It was..it helped lighten my day.
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BUT marketing to our clients ( snobbish? or even ignorant ) desires if the final photograph is not the #1 priority for them, that is entirely a different ball of wax!
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Bodies: Canon 5d mkII, 5d, 40d
Lenses: 24-70 f2.8L, 70-200 f4.0L, 135 f2L, 85 f1.8, 50 1.8, 100 f2.8 macro, Tamron 28-105 f2.8
Flash: 2x 580 exII, Canon ST-E2, 2x Pocket Wizard flexTT5, and some lower end studio strobes
There are extreme examples that can/do support each end of this discussion/debate:
- A hack with $5K of gear is still a hack and will seldom create an inspiring/moving image though it will happen from time to time (think one million apes with one million typewritters and Shakespeare's plays).
- The flip side of that coin is that a top-shelf photographer will be hindered, if not completely blocked, from creating art if he/she does not have equipment suited to the task at hand. Consider - the photog wants to make a underwater image but does not have an underwater housing. He (or she) is dead in the water (pun most definitely intended ).
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Thoughts on photographing a wedding, How to post a picture, AF Microadjustments?, Light Scoop
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- An entry level body with slow and poor auto-focus will make you miss shots, and hunting will be highly frustrating.
- Poor high-level ISO constraining you to 800 or so will severely constrain you where flash is not an option.
Those are relatively basic things that require at least a mid-level camera body, and hence gear does matter. But once you reach a certain threshold of quality, such as a choice between Sony A900, Nikon D700, or Canon 1DII...; perhaps the discussion is less relevant.
Disappointed with AF of Tamron 28-75 2.8, me less happy.
Hey, do you mind showing us some of your images from the XT, 50mm wedding so we can see what you are talking about...say 10 or 12 of the wedding.
I have no doubt that you did a good job, and I am of the same mind as you...that you don't have to have the latest and greatest gear to shoot a wedding. I'd like to see what can be done with a $200 dollar consignment camera and 50mm lens.
I look forward to seeing your work.
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I kinda believe if that they ask once, innocently, they should be informed. But if they respond with a "pfft" type of verbatim than .. it is definitely time to let them go.
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Scott I really agree with you here! As I learn and grow as a working photographer I have come to realize that there are many great tools and gadgets marketed towards photographers that I just don't need. Sure, my photos would be sharper and have more detail if I shot everything on a medium format with a nice set of primes. I could also get to jobs faster if I had a new sports car....
I am rarely hindered by gear, although there are lots of things I don't like about my gear. Why can't my Canon cameras focus in a dim reception? Why do my flashes never seem to have enough power? Why do my memory cards fill up so fast? There are a lot of things that I am honestly not that happy with, but so what? To think that the next piece of gear just over the rainbow is the silver bullet is crazy.
As a working photographer this is even tougher. Suddenly I am trying to make a profit at a very difficult business and every expense counts. Every piece of gear I buy needs to be able to earn me more money. So can I really justify the cost between a 50 1.2 and a 50 1.4, can clients tell the difference? I know I couldn't, so I sold the 50 1.2.
At the end of the day, I fall back on my artistic vision. It trumps gear and will let me get over the equipment hurdles in my way.
Being a photographer of any sort requires a certain degree of tech-savy, and with that comes the desire to continuously stay ahead of the curve...Especially when said "curve" is the bride's cousin standing next to you with her Canon Rebel T2i while you, the professional, are being paid to snap away on your Rebel XT. Suddenly your tiny LCD and the missing 10 million pixels seem to jump out at you!
Right??
Or perhaps you're more confident with that Rebel XT in your hands than the bride's cousin is with her T2i. Notice how she's not griping the camera correctly...Probably getting some pretty fuzzy photos...Unless, wait...She's got an f/1.8 IS lens. I've got this crappy 18-50mm f/5.6 kit lens...Damn!
The answer is, it all really depends. Are you actually good? Do you spend more time fixing the high noise your XT causes than the overall image is worth?
I started with an XT...Moved up to a 20D...Got a 30D, gave the XT to my sister in law and now my 20D is my backup. I've been 2nd shooter alongside a friend who uses a 5D MkII...I think my photos were just as good, if not better. I also had good glass though. Do I own that good glass? No...I rented it.
If this is something you enjoy, and you're good at it, you have to start somewhere...And the proof is in the pudding. If your clients like the end result, then so will their friends whose wedding you'll be shooting in 3 months, and then their friends...And at some point down that road, you'll acquire the gear you need. Then they'll come out with something new, you'll drool, and the whole process starts over again :-P
This is not what Tenoverthenose is getting at. His argument is that potential clients are looking at what camera(s) a photographer is using instead of the work- prints, albums, shown wedding after wedding of mind blowing consistent work, being shown. Not gear one starts with when he/she starts.
His work is really phenomenal which makes it even more interesting of a discussion. But that's another story for another time.
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I am not saying yours isn't.
Gear is not the end-all-be-all, but it definitely helps.
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I actually remembered that there was a really great article on this exact topic in last month's RangeFinder!
PDF of the article is here
Of course!!!
Here's her un-edited proof gallery http://www.madisonsquared.com/proofing/kleinpeterwedding (They're dark and flat, I promise I edited the keepers her mom bought) Shot 97 actually shows when pro photog and I clicked at the same time, I kinda liked what it did to her dress. Shot 117 is the hired pro, so you can scope out his gear, too - ignore the WalMart sticker, he's a pretty well-known local photographer.
Just for comparison reasons, here's the shot that he took that is now her Facebook picture: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/lkmadison/4523896582/" title="Not my shot by L.K.Madison, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4523896582_82e306f2c1_o.jpg" width="200" height="249" alt="Not my shot" /></a> I'm not sure what he was thinking with that flash, I do know that he bounced at least some of it off the VERY high ceilings from his flash he had stationed in the balcony.
Keep in mind that I wasn't the hired pro, so during ceremony, I had to stay out of his way (even though she granted me a front row seat).
*Go easy, these aren't posted for C&C for a reason, I've come a LONG way since I did these.
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I think you got some nice shots...I still love to use my 50mm f/1.8, as do most other photographers I know in my area. Proof that even though WE know the build quality suck and the lens is cheap, the client would never know by looking at the finished product ;-)
Fun tidbit...Ever reverse mount your 50mm? Can get some interesting macro shots by manually focusing and holding the lens in place.
I've heard of doing that, I'm not that coordinated. I can rarely manually focus without a little bit of help, but it will definitely be something to try the next time I get bored.
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Hi everyone - I want to chime in here for a change! (It's about time I become more active... Right? Maybe?)
I think that, since the prices of pretty good quality point-and-shoots and DSLRs have come into the realm of average consumer affordability combined with their very easy usage (re: being able to pick up a prosumer kit at Wally-World and post photos online for your friends to see minutes after firing the shutter and the like), we have come to the point where just about everyone everywhere in our society has a good (or what they'd consider to be good) digital camera. This is what has brought us to the point of having to endure conversations that usually end up something like: "How many megapixels is that? What??!?!!?!? My iPhone is better than THAT."
That being said, I do believe that gear does matter, it's just what "we" consider good gear and what "they" consider good gear don't match anymore.
I can't count how many times I have garnered attention, once even a small crowd, while out with my Hasselblad - people have NO idea what it is sometimes! I have actually been asked "Is that a CAMERA, or an old video camera or something???" by someone holding a prosumer DSLR.
Like every other occupation, your gear is just your set of tools - it's what you do with them that counts. It just sucks that photography in particular is an industry where the clients (and just casual members of the general public) are tending to be opinionated as to what brand of gear or how many megapixels this or that is. Do these same people scoff at the carpenter who built their cabinets because of what router setup he uses? (Probably not, because a titanium-tipped router bit whirring along just waiting to gnaw off your fingertip or worse fly about the room like razor-edged bullet is much more intimidating to this ilk than picking up a camera and popping off a couple snaps - which they'd do, then feel like they're on par with Robert Frank and HCB.)
Like the consensus here seems to be, what it comes down to is this: No, it doesn't (read: it shouldn't) matter IF you can work well with what you have access to. (Now, would I try to shoot an outdoor, candle-lit nighttime wedding with my no-speedlite-havin'-can't-shoot-above-200ISO-otherwise-the-people-just-get-in-the-way-of-all-the-noise Nikon D1??? Oh HECK no.)
1) We would not hire a wedding photographer work-unseen for our daughter's wedding if he told us his only equipment was a Canon Powershot.
2) If said photographer showed us lots of examples of stunning wedding work he'd done with said Powershot, we might hire him anyhow.
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