Did something change today with the "Sand" and/or "Dark Sand" theme?

WinsomeWorks

I just got a couple galleries all arranged yesterday. One of them is here: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Family/Reunions/Hunsberger-Mini-Reunion/8335422_4GyRQ#546254330_peLC3 . I had it set on the Elegant theme "Sand". That theme has always, to my knowledge, had 4 rows of 5 thumbs each... so 20 photos per page. Today when I went to the gallery, it had switched to "Dark Sand", and I noticed there are LOTS of rows of small thumbs instead of the normal configuration. I changed it back to "Sand", but that didn't fix it-- there are still a ton of tiny thumbs per page. Where I had about 12 or 13 pages of photos, I now have 8 pages. I went to a few other galleries and found this is the case with a lot of galleries that are using old themes. The newest themes, or at least the ones I checked, are still configured the way they normally are... with 20 thumbs or so. But the configuration now in place with the old themes looks the way Khaki has always looked... with the tons of tiny thumbs. Does anyone know what's going on, or are you having the same experience? I really don't like the tiny thumbs -- just too hard to see.

Andy

No, we did not change those themes, not today, or in a long, long time.

jfriend

The thumb size and quantity is determined by the amount of viewable area you have in your browser window after subtracting out the space that is used for header and footer. Smugmug figures out the largest main image that will fit and then fills in the remaining space with thumbs. I don't know exactly how they decide large thumbs vs. small thumbs. In any case, it has nothing to do with the theme except that one theme might take a little more space than another.

You might notice that if you change the size of your browser window, the gallery will auto-adjust, changing the number/size of the thumbs to fit.

jfriend

MakeMeShutter wrote:

It happened again !!!!

The main image goes small like that when you don't have enough vertical room for a larger image, particularly a portrait orientation image without scrolling. Your screen shot there has very little vertical room. Make your browser window taller or eliminate browser toolbars or make your banner/navbar shorter.

Art Scott

MakeMeShutter,
I just followed your link and it shows as 7 thumbs across on my computer also......

Allen

MakeMeShutter wrote:

It happened again !!!!

I can stretch my browser window and get 3, 4, 5, 6 , 7 100x100 thumbs
across. Also 3, 4, 5, 6 ,7 150x150 thumbs across. It all depends on your
browser window size.

jfriend

Allen wrote:

I can stretch my browser window and get 3, 4, 5, 6 , 7 100x100 thumbs
across. Also 3, 4, 5, 6 ,7 150x150 thumbs across. It all depends on your
browser window size.

Same here.

WinsomeWorks

jfriend wrote:

The thumb size and quantity is determined by the amount of viewable area you have in your browser window after subtracting out the space that is used for header and footer. Smugmug figures out the largest main image that will fit and then fills in the remaining space with thumbs. I don't know exactly how they decide large thumbs vs. small thumbs. In any case, it has nothing to do with the theme except that one theme might take a little more space than another.

You might notice that if you change the size of your browser window, the gallery will auto-adjust, changing the number/size of the thumbs to fit.

I understand that, but I haven't changed anything since yesterday in the size of my browser window, or my tool-bar, or vertical space, or anything else. I'm the only one who's been at this computer. And in my case, the display size of the main image hasn't changed. I still have a nice big display of both vertical and horizontal images... not like MakeMeShutter. So it doesn't seem to be about real estate or anything in my case. It's just that a bunch more tiny thumbs are being packed into the space that used to hold fewer, larger thumbs... the way the khaki theme always does. It seems odd that it would happen suddenly only on the old themes. If I switch to the new "yellow", for instance, all is fine & as before. It is also a little fishy that suddenly my gallery switched to "Dark Sand" without my switching anything. I have to assume SOMEthing is going on that wasn't caused on my end. It happened overnight, not while I was there doing something in the gallery. All was fine last night, but then this AM all these galleries look different.

jfriend

WinsomeWorks wrote:

I understand that, but I haven't changed anything since yesterday in the size of my browser window, or my tool-bar, or vertical space, or anything else. I'm the only one who's been at this computer. And in my case, the display size of the main image hasn't changed. I still have a nice big display of both vertical and horizontal images... not like MakeMeShutter. So it doesn't seem to be about real estate or anything in my case. It's just that a bunch more tiny thumbs are being packed into the space that used to hold fewer, larger thumbs... the way the khaki theme always does. It seems odd that it would happen suddenly only on the old themes. If I switch to the new "yellow", for instance, all is fine & as before. It is also a little fishy that suddenly my gallery switched to "Dark Sand" without my switching anything. I have to assume SOMEthing is going on that wasn't caused on my end. It happened overnight, not while I was there doing something in the gallery. All was fine last night, but then this AM all these galleries look different.

Things to check:

Browser zoom.
Browser window size.
Browser toolbars/status bars.
System font or dpi settings.
Changes to header/footer.
System taskbar size.
System font changes.
Site-wide-customization CSS that could change spacing anywhere on the page.

Otherwise, I'm not sure why you're so concerned about this. The Smugmug display reacts to minute changes in browser window size so you don't get to design your gallery for any particular layout on other people's computers. Your viewer's experience will depend upon how they size their browser window, how many toolbars they have, how big a screen they have, some of their system display settings, system font settings, etc... It's different for everyone. If you want bigger images for everyone, make your header smaller.

jfriend

MakeMeShutter wrote:

My browser window is at full size, nothing changed between the two screen shots other than the size of the image on the right.

I knew someone would say that.
typical

The difference between the screen shots in posts #5 and #6 is that you are logged in in #6 and that adds extra widgets for you to interact with that take more vertical space. Those two screen shots aren't comparing apples to apples.

WinsomeWorks

jfriend wrote:

Things to check:

Browser zoom.
Browser window size.
Browser toolbars/status bars.
System font or dpi settings.
Changes to header/footer.
System taskbar size.
System font changes.
Site-wide-customization CSS that could change spacing anywhere on the page.

Otherwise, I'm not sure why you're so concerned about this. The Smugmug display reacts to minute changes in browser window size so you don't get to design your gallery for any particular layout on other people's computers. Your viewer's experience will depend upon how they size their browser window, how many toolbars they have, how big a screen they have, some of their system display settings, system font settings, etc... It's different for everyone. If you want bigger images for everyone, make your header smaller.

Like I said, it's not about real estate, because I changed nothing overnight. I was sleeping. The main image sizes are fine. Even with the thumbs-- it's not as if a bunch of tiny thumbs takes up more space than fewer, larger ones. Maybe I can't, in general, do a certain layout that's perfect for everyone, but I've only ever run across one theme, and that's Khaki, which produces those tiny thumbnails (at all times, and on every screen I've seen it on, and I was told by one of the gurus here that it's just part of khaki's design). So I was just hoping to avoid that kind of a display (lots of tiny thumbs) wherever possible. I do care about the display because galleries look lousy in tiny thumbs, esp. if there's then a bunch of un-used space under them. And photos are very hard to find/identify that way! It has been possible, from all I can tell, to avoid that simply by using all themes except khaki, as I've checked on many different computers. Even on our laptop, there are no major layout changes.

So now for the weird part. I just went back to count the thumbs, and all is back to "normal" i.e. how it's always been. 20 thumbs on page. I swear to you I've done nothing. Same browser, same screen, have not done even one bit of tinkering with display. Haven't even added photos to the gallery. All I've done since this morning was download some, edit captions, and do a couple Picnic color edits. I dunno, just pray it stays this way I guess, but it sure seems to me that something internal would have to tell each theme what size thumbs to produce, at the least. Otherwise, why would Khaki always have tiny ones on whatever screen I see it on? Why would the other themes not have tiny thumbs? What do I know?