A murder in my backyard

kirbinster

History repeats itself, another murder in Randolph, NJ. This time the killers were Kaybee and Trent, two of my three huskies. My neighbor spotted the victim walking down the stream and grabbed her 3 pound dog as the coon walked up on my lawn. The critter's mistake, as Trent and Kaybee spied it and tag teamed it. The noises were horrible. These shots were of it licking its wounds, but the internal injuries were too bad and 10 minutes later it was dead.
Animal control was called and they took it away. They are going to have it tested, but doubt it was rabid. They said it is an old wives tale that these critter are rabid if they are walking around during the day. A similar murder took place in my back yard about five years ago, but it was Kirby and Kaybee that were the attackers that time.

kdog

Posting pictures of a suffering animal that your dogs attacked seems to me to be in very bad taste. If the raccoon had won and your dog was dying, would you post a picture of that in a pet forum?

jwear

I am feeling the same as Joel on this, you may want to have both dogs looked at by your vet . The act I have no problem with the posting is in very bad taste maybe on facebook but not on a wildlife forum .Harry I hope you remove this Jeff

Harryb

jwear wrote:

I am feeling the same as Joel on this, you may want to have both dogs looked at by your vet . The act I have no problem with the posting is in very bad taste maybe on facebook but not on a wildlife forum .Harry I hope you remove this Jeff

I am not crazy about the topic myself. However we have posted pictures of birds and animals with their prey in the past that were much more graphic than these captures.

The only posts that I have and will remove have been posts that are in conflict with the few rules we have on Dgrin. If you are unhappy with the topic here the best thing to do is to ignore it and it will quickly slide off of page 1 and into history.

kirbinster

Thanks for the advice about the dogs. Animal control said there should be no issue as their Rabbies shots are up to date, but I had placed a call to the vet to double check.

I am sorry some of you feel the way you do about the pictures, but I don't see them as being in poor taste. There is no blood and guts, and had I not included the story you probably would be sitting there saying oh how cute the little guy is as you would have no clue he was going to die.

Further, I feel providing the information that dogs can defend themselves, and that the story about Raccoons wanding during the day is not indicative of Rabies is useful for others to read.

In another forum here was the response the pictures got


"I laugh at people with 3 pound dogs. A real dog can take down a raccoon any day, your two huskies demonstrated excellent conflict resolution techniques when dealing with a masked bandit. Good to hear the neighborhood trash cans are safe from this nightly marauding table scrap eater."

Harryb wrote:

I am not crazy about the topic myself. However we have posted pictures of birds and animals with their prey in the past that were much more graphic than these captures.

The only posts that I have and will remove have been posts that are in conflict with the few rules we have on Dgrin. If you are unhappy with the topic here the best thing to do is to ignore it and it will quickly slide off of page 1 and into history.

kdog

Harryb wrote:

I am not crazy about the topic myself. However we have posted pictures of birds and animals with their prey in the past that were much more graphic than these captures.

To me there's a big difference between a natural predator/prey relationship, and an animal mangled by domestic dogs. The former is nature, the latter is not. I see this thread as no different than posting a photo of a dying animal that's been run over by a car. Just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary, etc.

kirbinster

kdog wrote:

To me there's a big difference between a natural predator/prey relationship, and an animal mangled by domestic dogs. The former is nature, the latter is not. I see this thread as no different than posting a photo of a dying animal that's been run over by a car. Just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary, etc.

How does the fact that one animal is a dog change the natural predator / prey relationship? The one animal came into the other animals territory and natural reactions took place. The fact that one does not normally have to hunt for its food, if anything, puts it at a dissadvantage.

ABCL

kdog wrote:

To me there's a big difference between a natural predator/prey relationship, and an animal mangled by domestic dogs. The former is nature, the latter is not. I see this thread as no different than posting a photo of a dying animal that's been run over by a car. Just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary, etc.

Dogs are still driven by instinct though, they still have that in them. Just because we have domesticated them, doesn't change that.

PhotoLasVegas

Nice snapshots.

bfjr

I was hoping everyone would take Harry's suggestion of letting this one be and drift off into
History.

Since that's not happening heres my take. I think you may be smarter then I originally thought,
based on your Title. You Titled it, "A Murder.........." and that is what this was and is, "Murder".

Last I checked murder was not a good thing.

fool4thecity

Sick! This forum should celebrate the beauty of wildlife! Not it's destruction! Share your story and photos with a hunting or dog forum. This is not the right audience for such brutallity or info about rabies. If racoons are getting into your garbage, that's your fault. Secure your garbage and the racoons will move on and not have to die because they are trying to get an easy meal.

kirbinster

fool4thecity wrote:

Sick! This forum should celebrate the beauty of wildlife! Not it's destruction! Share your story and photos with a hunting or dog forum. This is not the right audience for such brutallity or info about rabies. If racoons are getting into your garbage, that's your fault. Secure your garbage and the racoons will move on and not have to die because they are trying to get an easy meal.

Its not sick, it is the way animals in nature react to one another. There was no garbage involved. The Raccoon wandered down a stream and walked into my back yard where it proceeded to go after one of my dogs. The other dog quickly came to the aide of its companion and they took care of the predator. That is how nature works.

Scott_Quier

kirbinster wrote:

Its not sick, it is the way animals in nature react to one another. There was no garbage involved. The Raccoon wandered down a stream and walked into my back yard where it proceeded to go after one of my dogs. The other dog quickly came to the aide of its companion and they took care of the predator. That is how nature works.

I feel almost like an outsider here but ..... had the bolded (above) part been included in the original post, the tenor of the thread would have been dramatically different. Instead of "murder" this now appears to be defence of the dog pack and that's just the natural behavior that is to be expected.

kirbinster

Scott_Quier wrote:

I feel almost like an outsider here but ..... had the bolded (above) part been included in the original post, the tenor of the thread would have been dramatically different. Instead of "murder" this now appears to be defence of the dog pack and that's just the natural behavior that is to be expected.

You are probably correct, in retrospect it was probably a bad tittle - but one that I thought would be catchy and get people to look at the pictures, my bad. Further, had there been no text all those looking at it would have just said "oh what a cute Raccoon" having no clue of what would follow.

Harryb

A note here. This thread has been a tad heated at times. Please feel free to discuss the phtographic merits of the posted pictures. Feel free to discuss the pictures in a context of wildlife behavior.

However I will delete or edit any posts that go beyond the above cited areas.