Canon 2.8L 24-70 vs. F4L 70-200--Which is sharper?

TheCheeseheadTheCheesehead Registered Users Posts: 249 Major grins
edited April 30, 2010 in Cameras
Hi,
I recently purchased the 2.8L 24-70 for my Rebel XSi. I notice that it's very sharp, say withing 10-15 feet, or if I'm zoomed in on a subject, lets say a person, and they fill most of the frame, or outside in good light. It seems beyond 15 feet or so, or inside with available light it's not so sharp (I probably couldn't tell the difference between it and my 18-55 kit lens). The other thing I notice is that my F4L 70-200 (non IS) has great sharpness and color, compared to the 24-70....just wondering if others concur that the 70-200 is better glass than the 24-70, or if I need to take a closer look at the lens or body. Thanks again!

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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 24,130 moderator
    edited April 20, 2010
    If you set both lenses to f4, they should yield similar sharpness although the EF 70-200mm, f4L USM (with or without IS) is probably a little bit sharper.

    At f2.8 the EF 24-70mm, f2.8L USM still has plenty of detail but you need to use some sharpening and maybe even a little extra contrast and vibrance or saturation to make the image "pop" (compared to the 70-200mm, f4L wide open).

    By f5.6 both lenses will be splendid in both global and local contrast and sharpness.

    If you are getting much different results I would be interested to see links to full resolution examples, preferably with full EXIF as well.
    ziggy53
    Moderator of the Cameras and Accessories forums
  • Brett1000Brett1000 Registered Users Posts: 819 Major grins
    edited April 20, 2010
    Hi,
    I recently purchased the 2.8L 24-70 for my Rebel XSi. I notice that it's very sharp, say withing 10-15 feet, or if I'm zoomed in on a subject, lets say a person, and they fill most of the frame, or outside in good light. It seems beyond 15 feet or so, or inside with available light it's not so sharp (I probably couldn't tell the difference between it and my 18-55 kit lens). The other thing I notice is that my F4L 70-200 (non IS) has great sharpness and color, compared to the 24-70....just wondering if others concur that the 70-200 is better glass than the 24-70, or if I need to take a closer look at the lens or body. Thanks again!

    you can check the MTF sharpness resolution comparisons at www.photozone.de You will find the 70-200 (non-is) is much sharper than the 24-70 2.8L at 70mm. The 24-70 is really meant for full frame models and is not nearly as sharp on crop models as the EF-S type lens like the Tamron 17-50 or Canon 17-55
  • JohnBiggsJohnBiggs Registered Users Posts: 841 Major grins
    edited April 21, 2010
    I'll probably be shot, but I compared the Tamron 28-75mm 2.8 to the 24-70mm 2.8 and determined the Tamron is sharper. I'm not afraid of buying L glass :D but here the Tamron won for me.

    Tamron Pros:
    Light Weight
    Small Size
    Low Cost
    Great images
    Front cap is better than canon's
    Comes with hood

    Tamron Cons:
    Slower focus (though it's not bad)
    No distance info provided to E-TTL
    Feels cheaper (I used to own two in case one broke. After 2 years of usage without any problems, i sold the spare)
    The rear cap sucks. Replace any Tamron lens rear caps with standard canon caps and throw that junk away.
    Doesn't have say Canon or have a red 'L' on it if you care about that stuff.
    Canon Gear: 5D MkII, 30D, 85 1.2 L, 70-200 2.8 IS L, 17-40mm f4 L, 50 1.4, 580EX, 2x 580EXII, Canon 1.4x TC, 300 f4 IS L, 100mm 2.8 Macro, 100-400 IS L
    Other Gear: Olympus E-PL1, Pan 20 1.7, Fuji 3D Camera, Lensbaby 2.0, Tamron 28-75 2.8, Alien Bees lighting, CyberSyncs, Domke, HONL, FlipIt.
    ~ Gear Pictures
  • TheCheeseheadTheCheesehead Registered Users Posts: 249 Major grins
    edited April 27, 2010
    Brett1000 wrote:
    you can check the MTF sharpness resolution comparisons at www.photozone.de You will find the 70-200 (non-is) is much sharper than the 24-70 2.8L at 70mm. The 24-70 is really meant for full frame models and is not nearly as sharp on crop models as the EF-S type lens like the Tamron 17-50 or Canon 17-55

    Shoot...maybe would have been better off with the 2.8 17-55....
  • TheCheeseheadTheCheesehead Registered Users Posts: 249 Major grins
    edited April 27, 2010
    ziggy53 wrote:
    If you set both lenses to f4, they should yield similar sharpness although the EF 70-200mm, f4L USM (with or without IS) is probably a little bit sharper.

    At f2.8 the EF 24-70mm, f2.8L USM still has plenty of detail but you need to use some sharpening and maybe even a little extra contrast and vibrance or saturation to make the image "pop" (compared to the 70-200mm, f4L wide open).

    By f5.6 both lenses will be splendid in both global and local contrast and sharpness.

    If you are getting much different results I would be interested to see links to full resolution examples, preferably with full EXIF as well.

    Sorry for the late reply...thanks for your help!
  • tjstridertjstrider Registered Users Posts: 172 Major grins
    edited April 27, 2010
    Shoot...maybe would have been better off with the 2.8 17-55....

    Whenever I feel that my images aren't very sharp. I send them over for 39cents a print to Walmart.

    Once I see them in print at a normal size I remember how amazing my camera system is!!

    I suggest you take a couple bucks and do the same it always reminds us not to pixel peep too much since print media can be so different than the 100% loupe on Aperture/Lightroom/Photoshop
    5D2 + 50D | Canon EF-s 10-22mm F/3.5-4.5 USM | 70-200mm f/2.8L | 50mm 1.8, 580EXII
    http://stridephoto.carbonmade.com
  • TheCheeseheadTheCheesehead Registered Users Posts: 249 Major grins
    edited April 28, 2010
    Thanks
    tjstrider wrote:
    Whenever I feel that my images aren't very sharp. I send them over for 39cents a print to Walmart.

    Once I see them in print at a normal size I remember how amazing my camera system is!!

    I suggest you take a couple bucks and do the same it always reminds us not to pixel peep too much since print media can be so different than the 100% loupe on Aperture/Lightroom/Photoshop

    You know what, that's very good advice...I don't do that enough...I'll try it!!
  • jmphotocraftjmphotocraft Registered Users Posts: 2,987 Major grins
    edited April 29, 2010
    http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=404&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=101&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=2

    You have to take this tool with a grain of salt. You might look at that and think the 24-70L was a bad lens. It's not, it's wonderful, but on a crop body the 17-55/2.8IS is the only proper choice.
    -Jack

    An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
  • TheCheeseheadTheCheesehead Registered Users Posts: 249 Major grins
    edited April 29, 2010
    http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=404&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=101&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=2

    You have to take this tool with a grain of salt. You might look at that and think the 24-70L was a bad lens. It's not, it's wonderful, but on a crop body the 17-55/2.8IS is the only proper choice.

    Why is it that a crop sensor affects the image quality of the lens? Sorry, I know I'm a noob, but I just don't get it. Is this only the case with the 24-70, and not the 70-200 range? I'm looking at getting a second body...would the 5D MK1, which I can get around $1200, show better results with the 24-70 than my Rebel, or even a 7D? I think in this case I may have been blinded by the red stripe...lol.
  • jmphotocraftjmphotocraft Registered Users Posts: 2,987 Major grins
    edited April 30, 2010
    Why is it that a crop sensor affects the image quality of the lens?

    It's just that 17-55 is a way more useful focal length range on a crop body. It ends up at 27-88 after the crop factor. 24mm is not wide enough on crop often enough.
    -Jack

    An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
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