NY Times wants pic's (link)

misterb

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/cover-the-waterfront-this-means-you/?hp

entropysedge

call me a cynic but why should I sign over perpetual rights on images I've taken so that the NY Times can make money?

.3 You acknowledge that any submissions you make to the Service (i.e., user-generated content including but not limited to: comments, forum messages, reviews, text, shared TimesPeople activities, video, audio and photographs, as well as computer code and applications) (each, a "Submission") may be edited, removed, modified, published, transmitted, and displayed by The New York Times Company and you waive any rights you may have in having the material altered or changed in a manner not agreeable to you. Submissions made to the Service including shared TimesPeople activities, may also be included in our RSS feeds, APIs and made available for republishing through other formats.

3.4 You grant NYT a perpetual, nonexclusive, world-wide, royalty free, sub-licensable license to the Submissions, which includes without limitation the right for NYTimes.com or any third party The New York Times designates, to use, copy, transmit, excerpt, publish, distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, create derivative works of, host, index, cache, tag, encode, modify and adapt (including without limitation the right to adapt to streaming, downloading, broadcast, mobile, digital, thumbnail, scanning or other technologies) in any form or media now known or hereinafter developed, any Submission posted by you on or to NYTimes.com or any other Web site owned by NYT, including any Submission posted on NYTimes.com through a third party.

misterb

entropysedge wrote: »

call me a cynic but why should I sign over perpetual rights on images I've taken so that the NY Times can make money?

.3 You acknowledge that any submissions you make to the Service (i.e., user-generated content including but not limited to: comments, forum messages, reviews, text, shared TimesPeople activities, video, audio and photographs, as well as computer code and applications) (each, a "Submission") may be edited, removed, modified, published, transmitted, and displayed by The New York Times Company and you waive any rights you may have in having the material altered or changed in a manner not agreeable to you. Submissions made to the Service including shared TimesPeople activities, may also be included in our RSS feeds, APIs and made available for republishing through other formats.

3.4 You grant NYT a perpetual, nonexclusive, world-wide, royalty free, sub-licensable license to the Submissions, which includes without limitation the right for NYTimes.com or any third party The New York Times designates, to use, copy, transmit, excerpt, publish, distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, create derivative works of, host, index, cache, tag, encode, modify and adapt (including without limitation the right to adapt to streaming, downloading, broadcast, mobile, digital, thumbnail, scanning or other technologies) in any form or media now known or hereinafter developed, any Submission posted by you on or to NYTimes.com or any other Web site owned by NYT, including any Submission posted on NYTimes.com through a third party.

Wow.. I didn't know about all the legalese..

entropysedge

misterb wrote: »

Wow.. I didn't know about all the legalese..

the cynic in me always insists on reading the terms of use and member agreements ... what is sad is that they will get a bunch of submissions from folks who don't bother looking at that stuff and then wonder why they see their photo being used somewhere else.

BradfordBenn

These things are hidden all over the place, one of the reasons I own my own domain and use SmugMug for photo hosting. Don't get me started about Facebook..... Even as an avocational photographer the trade magazines that do use my images let me keep the rights and are very upfront about them being mine and getting credit for them.

chrisjohnson

misterb wrote: »

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/cover-the-waterfront-this-means-you/?hp

This looks like a horror show:
- all risks (copyright, etc) devolve to the "members" - amateur photographer
- all profits go to the publisher
- members work for free and agree to be charged themselves in future for submitting their work (!)
- NYT save the cost of hiring a professional photographer.

Is this the future of event photography? I suspect it will be a huge success for NYT.

Wil Davis

goldenballs wrote: »

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Is this the future of event photography? I suspect it will be a huge success for NYT.

I think it's already happened…

I seem to remember reading a post about an amateur photographer who (quite rightly) was so very proud of getting a cover on a major magazine (might have even been Time™) and was quite evasive (again quite rightly) about how much they were paid; the sad part about it was that they said (in not so many words) that the money wasn't important, but the real reward was the satisfaction of getting a by-line on the cover of a major magazine.



- Wil

Edit: Here's the link to a similar story.