They don't "bother" me either. It is a negative aspect that keeps the image from being all that it can be. Since this is a photography forum, I would think that one would want honesty so that they could improve their skills. Saying something is superb when it is not, is not the way to help someone improve.
They don't "bother" me either. It is a negative aspect that keeps the image from being all that it can be. Since this is a photography forum, I would think that one would want honesty so that they could improve their skills. Saying something is superb when it is not, is not the way to help someone improve.
Flickr is the place for that!
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Yes, you're right. I'd want honesty too. I didn't mean that the photo was perfect. I just wanted to say that I thought the bird part of it looked so good that I didn't notice the OOF part. Of course, if I really critiqued it from head to toe, I would have to agree with everything you said. Yes, the OOF grass was distracting. But I really loved the bird!
I know I go crazy with my own photos when I get one that's really great except for one little niggly part that takes away from it. It does help when people point out stuff that we may not even notice, and it does help us to improve.
So I hope you know that I didn't mean anything by my comment other than to just praise the good parts of the shot.:D
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Grand Manan Island near where I live is a breeding ground for puffins. Sadly I get violently sea sick, even in a deep bathtub, so braving the Bay of Fundy in a small boat is not in the cards for me. But Dan - if YOU want to go, I'll wave from the beach
Thank you all for the great feedback, and an interesting discussion!
I'd be the first to agree that "good" is in the eye of the beholder. I personally like the "messy" shot with the OOF grass in foreground, and I can't quite explain why. While I do have a number of "cleaner" shots, I tend to find them a tad "clinical" and somewhat boring. But as we've already established - its all a matter of personal opinion, and its all good .
Here are a couple of the "cleaner" shots (ie the "boring" ones)
The foreground grasses blurring and partially obscuring the subject keep this very nice image from being superb...truly.
I beg to differ on that. I sorta like the foreground grasses mixed in. I think of it as nature's own diffuser. Perhaps, the image might have been a touch stark sans those grasses.
I think a lot of people here tend to focus upon subject, subject subject...and I am not at all sure that is what ART is all about.
Photography IS art, and thus is just as much predicated on light, subtle framing and odd nuances than it is purely on subject. If I wanted pure subject, I'd look up a photo of a puffin in Encyclopedia Brittanica.
I beg to differ on that. I sorta like the foreground grasses mixed in. I think of it as nature's own diffuser. Perhaps, the image might have been a touch stark sans those grasses.
I think a lot of people here tend to focus upon subject, subject subject...and I am not at all sure that is what ART is all about.
Photography IS art, and thus is just as much predicated on light, subtle framing and odd nuances than it is purely on subject. If I wanted pure subject, I'd look up a photo of a puffin in Encyclopedia Brittanica.
You certainly are entitled to your opinoin as I am in not sharing it.
I don't consider a snapshot as art.
Grasses certainly could be a part of an artsy look....this just isn't it.
I think there is some bandwagon jumping going on here....so this will be my last word on this.
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Very nice captures, and the one bird that is still on my list to photograph. Strange that you mentioned that you like the grass in the first image, and I have to say I don't mind it either.
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They don't "bother" me either. It is a negative aspect that keeps the image from being all that it can be. Since this is a photography forum, I would think that one would want honesty so that they could improve their skills. Saying something is superb when it is not, is not the way to help someone improve.
Flickr is the place for that!
Hi Ric,
Yes, you're right. I'd want honesty too. I didn't mean that the photo was perfect. I just wanted to say that I thought the bird part of it looked so good that I didn't notice the OOF part. Of course, if I really critiqued it from head to toe, I would have to agree with everything you said. Yes, the OOF grass was distracting. But I really loved the bird!
I know I go crazy with my own photos when I get one that's really great except for one little niggly part that takes away from it. It does help when people point out stuff that we may not even notice, and it does help us to improve.
So I hope you know that I didn't mean anything by my comment other than to just praise the good parts of the shot.:D
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I'll take that into account in the future. :smooch
These are superb in the eye of this beholder.
Wow! They are spectacular.
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I'd be the first to agree that "good" is in the eye of the beholder. I personally like the "messy" shot with the OOF grass in foreground, and I can't quite explain why. While I do have a number of "cleaner" shots, I tend to find them a tad "clinical" and somewhat boring. But as we've already established - its all a matter of personal opinion, and its all good
Here are a couple of the "cleaner" shots (ie the "boring" ones
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Now you're just being a smart ass.
They are very good, that's for sure.
The trouble with a black and white bird is there just isn't enough dynamic range to do justice to both. I'd pick the whites as Thor did here.
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I beg to differ on that. I sorta like the foreground grasses mixed in. I think of it as nature's own diffuser. Perhaps, the image might have been a touch stark sans those grasses.
I think a lot of people here tend to focus upon subject, subject subject...and I am not at all sure that is what ART is all about.
Photography IS art, and thus is just as much predicated on light, subtle framing and odd nuances than it is purely on subject. If I wanted pure subject, I'd look up a photo of a puffin in Encyclopedia Brittanica.
You certainly are entitled to your opinoin as I am in not sharing it.
I don't consider a snapshot as art.
Grasses certainly could be a part of an artsy look....this just isn't it.
I think there is some bandwagon jumping going on here....so this will be my last word on this.
Hope i will be able to make some of these myself any day...
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