Help with PP wedding photos

jm94085jm94085 Registered Users Posts: 122 Major grins
edited August 15, 2010 in Finishing School
Hi...below are some examples of some photos from my wedding where we were fighting with shadows and was wondering if anyone could help with a good workflow for best fixing these images?

Note I have the raw files and access to work with DPP, PS CS4 and Noiseware.

Thanks,
John

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  • FoquesFoques Registered Users Posts: 1,951 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    eh, i'm no pro, but my guess is that you needed a to light them up with a umbrella/flash.. or a couple of them..

    Did you shoot in JPEG or RAW?

    edit.. just reread your post.. and do see that you got RAWs..
    you could try to lighten the darks and shadows in the first shot.

    second shot, I'm thinking, you would be best of editing out the sunpatch on the guy's sleeve, and then changing exposure/brightness..

    last one will be the easiest to brighten up..

    all shots are underexposed, though.. what did you meter off?
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  • jm94085jm94085 Registered Users Posts: 122 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    Thanks Arseny...note that I was not the shooter, but the subject as it was my wedding.

    The photographer was a friend who came out from the East coast and there are plenty of great images that were filled with flash, however there are also many many potentially great images where the lighting was very difficult to say the least.

    I can see what needs to be done in the images...however, in my case I'm not a PS wizard and am more looking for good workflows for fixing them.

    For example "editing out the sunpatch on the guy's sleeve" sounds a lot easier than I'm sure it actually is?

    cheers,
    John
  • FoquesFoques Registered Users Posts: 1,951 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    yeah, I realize that.

    Patch of the sun. I would try to pull the texture of costume from another spot in the shot, then overlay it on top of the lit up area.
    It may darken the area to make it look like it was in a shade.

    with the third shot, working in camera raw, i'd raise exposure by .5, then bump blacks to 7-8, adjust saturation.. then move to the tone curves. there, i'd darken the darks, and lighten the lights.
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  • malchmalch Registered Users Posts: 104 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    jm94085 wrote: »
    was wondering if anyone could help with a good workflow for best fixing these images?

    Note I have the raw files and access to work with DPP, PS CS4 and Noiseware.

    Open a RAW file in CS4 and it should take you into ACR.

    That is where you want to pull up those shadows. You will get much more/better recovery doing it there than you will after the RAW conversion. The Exposure, Recovery, and Fill Light sliders will be your primary helpers.

    If necessary, also fix the White Balance while you are in ACR.

    After that (in CS4 proper) you can:

    1. Apply some Noise Reduction if necessary. Make it selective if possible.

    2. Make additional tweaks and touch-ups.

    3. Crop, resize and sharpen.
  • jm94085jm94085 Registered Users Posts: 122 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    Thanks Arseny and Malch!!
  • FoquesFoques Registered Users Posts: 1,951 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    let me know if I can be of any further help. you can pop me up on any of my messengers, I usually am online either from a PC or phone.

    :)
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  • SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    I live right up the street (101) :D in San Jose If you have questions or want to bring a few images up to fix let me know.

    Sam
  • IcebearIcebear Registered Users Posts: 4,015 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    I have a couple ideas. PM me with a link to the full res image(s) and let me try something. I don't want to end up with egg on my face if it don't work.
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  • anonymouscubananonymouscuban Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 4,586 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    Took some liberties with the first pic. Hope you don't mind.

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    Did everything in PS. I created two curve adjustment masks... one to brighten the image and one to darken. I then inverted the mask and used a soft brush to mask each layer in. I brighten the people in pics and then selectively darkened the background in areas. Created another curve adjustment layer to give an overall boost to the brightness, which I again masked. I finished it off with a bit of contrast boost through a curves layer and ran it through Noiseware Professional plugin. This was pretty quick and dirty... took me all of 4 minutes.

    You can see some artifacts where I brought out the details in the faces but I was working with a very small jpg file. You can get much better results from the RAW file. Given more time with the RAW file, I'd probably either try to clone those chairs out or at least tone them down a bit. I'd probably also same with the house behind them. Oh... and I didn't touch the WB. Didn't look to bad on the monitor I am using.
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  • anonymouscubananonymouscuban Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 4,586 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    I'm bored so I went at this one too. Again, hope you don't mind. Similar process as outlined above except this one did not need as much work. I did warm up the WB a bit and I also clone some stuff in the background out. The mens tuxes were really dark so I tried to bring as much detail as possible out without causing too much havoc.

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  • jm94085jm94085 Registered Users Posts: 122 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    Nice work...thanks!! I really need to expand my PS skills which are pretty basic to say the least ;-)
  • anonymouscubananonymouscuban Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 4,586 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    WOW... I must be really bored:

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  • jm94085jm94085 Registered Users Posts: 122 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    Lol :-)
  • IcebearIcebear Registered Users Posts: 4,015 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    Screen Blending Mode
    I took a different approach and worked with the Screen blending mode in layers. I duplicated the background layer and selected "Screen" for the blending mode, then I did it again to the second layer. I then (not as carefully as YOU would have done) created a mask over the people and erased the BG in both blended layers, leaving me with the original BG, which was not the OP's concern. You don't have to look too hard to see where my ham-handed selection tools missed the mark, but that's not the fault of the layer blending mode, which is the point of my post. I've often found the "Multiply" and Screen" modes to be much more effective than curves and layers in saving over and under-exposed shots. What's different about my approach is that I sometimes (as here) do it more than once.

    Oh, and "Saving" "(Re)Loading"a selection is a HUGE time saver for me, cause often use the same selection in multiple layers.

    (edit) Oh, forgot, I also applied a simple 5 second Levels adjustment to the Selection to give the people a bit more presence.

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  • QarikQarik Registered Users Posts: 4,959 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    you crazy photoshoppers and all your layers..it's called "fill light" slider in LR and it doesn't leave any funny artifacts.mwink.gif
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  • IcebearIcebear Registered Users Posts: 4,015 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    Daniel, you must have a magic touch, because I've never been happy with the results I've gotten with the fill slider for any but the slightest adjustments. Sure can't argue with your results though.
    John :
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  • anonymouscubananonymouscuban Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 4,586 Major grins
    edited August 11, 2010
    Qarik wrote: »
    you crazy photoshoppers and all your layers..it's called "fill light" slider in LR and it doesn't leave any funny artifacts.mwink.gif

    I agree with you... this might sound funny but I didn't feel like important the pics into LR so I just did it in PS.
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  • QarikQarik Registered Users Posts: 4,959 Major grins
    edited August 12, 2010
    Icebear wrote: »
    Daniel, you must have a magic touch, because I've never been happy with the results I've gotten with the fill slider for any but the slightest adjustments. Sure can't argue with your results though.

    yep..for more then slight adjustments you need to redo the curves/contrast to make it look more natural.
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  • kwcrowkwcrow Registered Users Posts: 132 Major grins
    edited August 13, 2010
    Danial,
    I would be interested in seeing your results with lightroom "fill light" and comparing the two.
    It might save us time in the future if we see that fill light can do just as well.
    Thanks
    -Kevin
    Qarik wrote: »
    you crazy photoshoppers and all your layers..it's called "fill light" slider in LR and it doesn't leave any funny artifacts.mwink.gif
  • QarikQarik Registered Users Posts: 4,959 Major grins
    edited August 14, 2010
    kwcrow wrote: »
    Danial,
    I would be interested in seeing your results with lightroom "fill light" and comparing the two.
    It might save us time in the future if we see that fill light can do just as well.
    Thanks
    -Kevin

    this is about the best I can do with the small jpg file. I just boosted the fill light to about 60..maxed out recovery slider..boosted over all exposure just a touch then brought down luminesence on a few colors to saturate the colors some. I think I could have done a bit more with the raw files. The subjects could have used more exposure but I chose to keep the background in check.



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    85 and 50 1.4
    45 PC and sb910 x2
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  • kwcrowkwcrow Registered Users Posts: 132 Major grins
    edited August 15, 2010
    Thank you, Surprisingly close to results using a mask.
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