Nit's and Crits PLEASE!!

angevin1

I worked another redo of my current Challenge Entry. Please take the time to leave a comment, even if it's a good one. Nit's and crit's are all welcome and appreciated!

Also, is matting allowed? If so, I'll trim Laced with tears' mat down some.

Current entry: Le droit


And reworked Le droit




Redo: Laced with tears




Thanks for taking time to comment!

DonRicklin

Personally I think you've thought too much about this. It was fine the way you started, though I like the monotone of the current new one!

You already have a winner, IMHO! Not to say someone wont post a better one!

Don

VisualXpressions

I like the Lace with tears, I thought the shadow of the nose was to dark on the first one... makes it difficult to make out the nose... Lace with tears is way cool! and the shadow is better... I think a mat would be like a border or frame which is not allowed, so I don't think a mat would be allowed... good luck!

angevin1 wrote: »

I worked another redo of my current Challenge Entry. Please take the time to leave a comment, even if it's a good one. Nit's and crit's are all welcome and appreciated!

Also, is matting allowed? If so, I'll trim Laced with tears' mat down some.


Thanks for taking time to comment!

angevin1

DonRicklin wrote: »

Personally I think you've thought too much about this.

Boy, thats a sure surprise!:D

DonRicklin wrote: »

You already have a winner, IMHO! Not to say someone wont post a better one!
Don

Thanks for the kind comment!

angevin1

VisualXpressions wrote: »

I like the Lace with tears, I thought the shadow of the nose was to dark on the first one... makes it difficult to make out the nose... Lace with tears is way cool! and the shadow is better... I think a mat would be like a border or frame which is not allowed, so I don't think a mat would be allowed... good luck!

Thanks for the Good Luck wish!

yeah, the Shadow on this poor Monitor looks poor indeed, and way over done too...Thats one reason I went back to give the old girl a little face lift...and well, She had more money than planned, so I went a bit further on the Surgery. Good News is, I have her saved in stages!

red_zone

I love the eyes on the first one, I think it's an all-around excellent picture, except there looks like a reflection or something in the shadow of the nose. I'd get that darker or lighten the rest of the shadow to see some detail.

SeascapeS

I agree -it is a very good shot except for the shadow.

richtersl

The Laced with Tears shot is really cool! But as Winston pointed out, the matte may DQ you from the challenge. I love the B&W conversion and feel that the top half of that shot could stand on its own as an entry.

angevin1

richtersl wrote: »

The Laced with Tears shot is really cool! But as Winston pointed out, the matte may DQ you from the challenge. I love the B&W conversion and feel that the top half of that shot could stand on its own as an entry.

Updated!

angevin1

red_zone wrote: »

I love the eyes on the first one, I think it's an all-around excellent picture, except there looks like a reflection or something in the shadow of the nose. I'd get that darker or lighten the rest of the shadow to see some detail.

I see what you mean, good eye!! Thanks!! I am working a redo of that one too, just in case~

Jenn

I like the eyes of the Le droit image inserted into the Laced with Tears face. The eyes are a bit out of focus on Laced with tears, but the eyes of Le droit are stunning. Perhaps add 1 or 2 tear drops to the combination with those tears magnifying the lace it touches. Maybe cropping it just below the nose. I like the tear near the bottom that magnifies the lace.

StueveShots

Wow, Tom! I really like what you are doing with the image. Very surreal.

amiable

I prefer Laced with Tears . I think part of it is the fact that the eyes are more wide set than in the original, which makes the face appear more honest and attractive to me. The newer version definitely engages me emotionally.

angevin1

amiable wrote: »

I prefer Laced with Tears . I think part of it is the fact that the eyes are more wide set than in the original, which makes the face appear more honest and attractive to me. The newer version definitely engages me emotionally.

Great observation!! I'll keep that in mind for now and future reference..Good things to remember!! ( note to self)...uh...by a notepad!:D

angevin1

StueveShots wrote: »

Wow, Tom! I really like what you are doing with the image. Very surreal.

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thanks!!

angevin1

Jenn wrote: »

I like the eyes of the Le droit image inserted into the Laced with Tears face. The eyes are a bit out of focus on Laced with tears, but the eyes of Le droit are stunning. Perhaps add 1 or 2 tear drops to the combination with those tears magnifying the lace it touches. Maybe cropping it just below the nose. I like the tear near the bottom that magnifies the lace.

Thanks Jenn, I was wonderin if anyone would miss those eyes!! I'll give that a go in tomorrow's redux, part 3~


You know...I'm just a lovin it!!:puke

angevin1

Jenn wrote: »

I like the eyes of the Le droit image inserted into the Laced with Tears face. The eyes are a bit out of focus on Laced with tears, but the eyes of Le droit are stunning. Perhaps add 1 or 2 tear drops to the combination with those tears magnifying the lace it touches. Maybe cropping it just below the nose. I like the tear near the bottom that magnifies the lace.

Well, I did a redo and a reentry. If anyone has any further observations regarding the entry, I am all ears!

I see what you mean about the eye's Jenn....and in truth I'm not certain the other eyes are any more in focus. The dark shadows tend to hide them.....I'm iffy on the eyes thing, only because the eyes ought not be the full focus

Arguments? Pros? Con's?

I want to thank everyone again for taking the time to help me in this effort!

richtersl

I really like the redo. The conversion really well done. To me is much easier on the eye than the conversion on the first one.

angevin1

!Agreed, Linda! And after looking at the other one about two days, I just easily could see ways to improve it. So thanks. This one'll stay unless someone can find flaws that kill it! ( or unless I get tired of seeing it too!)

Jenn

angevin1 wrote: »

!Agreed, Linda! And after looking at the other one about two days, I just easily could see ways to improve it. So thanks. This one'll stay unless someone can find flaws that kill it! ( or unless I get tired of seeing it too!)

I've been staring at this newest image trying to figure out what bugs me about it. Is the eye on the left (when you're looking at it).. the one without the tears... a tad too far to the left? Or maybe the nose bridge is a little too high. I can't figure it out. I still miss the darker eyes although the 2nd set of eyes kind of grow on me.

angevin1

Jenn wrote: »

I've been staring at this newest image trying to figure out what bugs me about it. Is the eye on the left (when you're looking at it).. the one without the tears... a tad too far to the left? Or maybe the nose bridge is a little too high. I can't figure it out. I still miss the darker eyes although the 2nd set of eyes kind of grow on me.

I am glad to hear and see others still looking to try and help me out! Thanks!

As far as the asymmetry....I am glad to hear she is! Although, I think there is so little definition at the center of the nose that is presents as the left eye being too far left. yet, I believe it is fairly centered and follows the Golden ratio~ 1.6:1

Froch

hi tom,
just my two cents which i'm sure is worth far less than that.
I'm envious of the amazing vision. congratulations. they're so well done.
Personally I love the first entry. I really like the eye spread being a bit closer. I feel that closeness allows me to take both of the eyes in at the same time visually (if that makes sense). And the detail of the fans revealed in the eyes, drew me in and then had me exploring the pix for more fun. I also loved the shadows and contours of the high cheekbones.
The new version, although beautiful, for me, there's something about how the angles of the veil and the lace across her eyebrows, frame the face. The spread of the eyes, has me scanning back and forth between them, and I don't feel as locked in. And although a great idea, I get taken out of the image with the tears.
Again, congrats on two beautiful images. EITHER is going to do very well this round. Good luck!

angevin1

Froch wrote: »

hi tom,
just my two cents which i'm sure is worth far less than that.
I'm envious of the amazing vision. congratulations. they're so well done.
Personally I love the first entry. I really like the eye spread being a bit closer. I feel that closeness allows me to take both of the eyes in at the same time visually (if that makes sense). And the detail of the fans revealed in the eyes, drew me in and then had me exploring the pix for more fun. I also loved the shadows and contours of the high cheekbones.
The new version, although beautiful, for me, there's something about how the angles of the veil and the lace across her eyebrows, frame the face. The spread of the eyes, has me scanning back and forth between them, and I don't feel as locked in. And although a great idea, I get taken out of the image with the tears.
Again, congrats on two beautiful images. EITHER is going to do very well this round. Good luck!

Thanks for the congratulations! Several folks have pointed out the eye eye/issue, but yours resonates with me. I won't change this one, but promise to myself to remember the idea of taking in a photo with one glance, and it's importance.

I think the tears just kinda grew on me. I did a little vid here the other day, and took it from there. I look forward in five or so years that maybe we can get a video/motion graphic challenge going. Right now video seems like the least active forum.

Thanks again for commenting!

Jenn

Froch wrote: »

hi tom,
just my two cents which i'm sure is worth far less than that.
I'm envious of the amazing vision. congratulations. they're so well done.
Personally I love the first entry. I really like the eye spread being a bit closer. I feel that closeness allows me to take both of the eyes in at the same time visually (if that makes sense). And the detail of the fans revealed in the eyes, drew me in and then had me exploring the pix for more fun. I also loved the shadows and contours of the high cheekbones.
The new version, although beautiful, for me, there's something about how the angles of the veil and the lace across her eyebrows, frame the face. The spread of the eyes, has me scanning back and forth between them, and I don't feel as locked in. And although a great idea, I get taken out of the image with the tears.
Again, congrats on two beautiful images. EITHER is going to do very well this round. Good luck!

yes! That makes alot of sense to me, Froch. I couldn't really put it into the correct words, but I think what you said is what I have been hunting for to express, too. I love the original.

angevin1

Jenn wrote: »

yes! That makes alot of sense to me, Froch. I couldn't really put it into the correct words, but I think what you said is what I have been hunting for to express, too. I love the original.

Okay...tell ya what...get me 15 more votes and I'll change it back!!rofl

DonRicklin

angevin1 wrote: »

Okay...tell ya what...get me 15 more votes and I'll change it back!!rofl

I like the original, but maybe with the monotone treatment of the newer one, B&W, not bluish!



Don

angevin1

DonRicklin wrote: »

I like the original, but maybe with the monotone treatment of the newer one, B&W, not bluish!



Don

one!

Jenn

angevin1 wrote: »

one!

at least 2 including me .. maybe 3 with Froch

angevin1

Jenn wrote: »

at least 2 including me .. maybe 3 with Froch

well...get me more..MORE...MORE!!rofl

Re-posted a reworked version of le droit~

Jenn

angevin1 wrote: »

well...get me more..MORE...MORE!!rofl

Re-posted a reworked version of le droit~

wow ... I love the reworked le droit! Those eyes pop ... and the nose and cheeks bones are really nice!

DonRicklin

angevin1 wrote: »

Okay...tell ya what...get me 15 more votes and I'll change it back!!rofl

richtersl wrote: »

I really like the redo. The conversion really well done. To me is much easier on the eye than the conversion on the first one.

I like le Droit II, too! much better than the blue version, original and the image without the darker stripe across the eyes definitely works better for me!

Don