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Professional Camera Needed

Sask2005Sask2005 Registered Users Posts: 140 Major grins
edited September 23, 2005 in Cameras
Hello

I want to buy a professionals camera to shoot anything from people in front of me (not right in front of me) to high speeds sports action with a long lens. I need something which turns on instantly, shots multiple pics and has sufficient functions to give me perfect photos day and night, even in poor weather conditions. I don't mind if its digital or film.

What does everyone recommend - and pls give details so I can ask for the right things at the camera shop. Price no object.

Many thanks
Sask

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    RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,937 moderator
    edited September 5, 2005
    Sask2005 wrote:
    Price no object.
    Boy, are you in for trouble here....rolleyes1.gifrofl
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited September 5, 2005
    Sask2005 wrote:
    and has sufficient functions to give me perfect photos day and night, even in poor weather conditions.

    sadly, it's not the camera that does this for us, it's *you* the photographer that makes the photograph.

    that said, there are two i would recommend, based on the little info you give out:

    1) the canon 1D Mark II
    2) the nikon d2x

    good luck in your decision

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    Sask2005Sask2005 Registered Users Posts: 140 Major grins
    edited September 5, 2005
    in trouble - why?
    rsinmadrid wrote:
    Boy, are you in for trouble here....rolleyes1.gifrofl
    in trouble - why?
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    RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,937 moderator
    edited September 5, 2005
    Sask2005 wrote:
    in trouble - why?
    Sorry if I made light of a serious question.

    What I meant is that professional equipment can get very expensive. If you select one of the cameras that Andy mentioned and add to it the cost of the lenses, tripod, monitor, flash and other things at a similar level of quality you could be looking at somewhere between 10 and 20 thousand USD. High end professional cameras like the Phase One can cost up to 30k for the back alone. If cost is really no object, then you are lucky. :D

    As Andy pointed out, though, good equipment is only part of what you need to take great pictures. Light is hugely important and beyond anyone's control. Mastering post-processing in Photoshop or other programs takes a great deal of time and effort. But most important is seeing the picture before you take it. Some people seem to have a better eye than others, but everyone can improve with practice and instruction.

    Hope this helps. And if all you were looking for was advice on equipment, you have come to the right place. thumb.gif You might want to scan through some of the earlier postings on Dgrin's Camera Forum. Many people (inlcuding myself) have posted queries there and gotten excellent advice from people who really know their stuff.

    Regards,
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    pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,699 moderator
    edited September 5, 2005
    Sask2005 wrote:
    in trouble - why?


    This question is akin to asking what is the fastest race car - an Indy 500 winner or a Nascar winner - just purchasing the car will not let you be a winning driver. In photography, like auto racing, good equipment in the right, experienced hands is invaluable, but in untrained hands may be merely dangerous. To carry the analogy further, most wealthy race car owners, hire a pro driver..... There are exceptions like Paul Newman of course.

    As for camera suggestions, I agree with Andy, altho I might add the Canon 1DsMkII also. The 1DMKll is built for speed and sport shooting, but the 1DsMKII is still faster than most prosumer cameras and the wider view of the full frame camera more closely emulates standard 35mm viewing.

    The question you have not asked is what lenses will be needd to cover the fields you have described. To answer that, just pull out Canon's catalog of L glass and go from 16mm to 400mm or more. Bring lots of moolah like was suggested in an earlier post. And have fun.
    Look into lighting equipment also - that is frequently the real difference between amateurs and pros = the pros know that light make images, not cameras - cameras merely capture what light has created.

    I will finish by repeating a statement I have made here many times on dgrin, that great photographers make great images even with mediocre equipment. Box cameras, Point and Shoots, even camera phones now. But for publication quality images, good tools really are a great help. I am an equipment hound myself - a camera junky :):
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited September 5, 2005
    I would have to say that based on your post you would be wasting your money to jump in and get a professional grade camera. Photography is not something to jump into, but is a long process of learning, and building up your knowledge. You will know that you're ready for a professional camera when you know the right questions to ask and understand the basics of what there is and what they offer you.

    That's not quite the same as saying you should avoid SLR cameras altogether, but rather that you should work your way up. There's plenty to learn and have fun with with the lower end SLRs on the market. I'm a Canon guy, so I'll leave it to the Nikon folk to make a recommendation on that front.

    In Canon you can get the Digital Rebel XT or the 20D. If money is no object (i.e. you were willing to spend $7k on the body alone), then it's a no-brainer. Get the 20D. There's plenty to spend your money on elsewhere. You could easily spend another $2-5k on lenses, flash, backpack, etc. Then, when the time is right and you want to move up, your equipment will all (or mostly) move up with you. Any EF lens will work on either the 20D or the 1 series cameras. Plus, lenses tend to keep a lot of resale value, so reselling them isn't really a problem.
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited September 5, 2005
    What they all said:-)
    My personal approach in this is that one have to outgrow one's current camera first. It's nice to have all the money in the world, but equipment alone does not make you Henri, Ansel or Marc. My boss (a VERY wealthy person) owns 1dMarkII, and, my god, does he have a lot of L glass. Untill recently I only had a fixed lens camera. Well, guess what - my pictures were ~usually~ better.

    It took me two years to finally come to the point where I realized that my current camera is actually limiting my photo capabilities, but until then I could use my 828 (and 505V before that) and be happy with it, producing some honestly nice pictures. And I still can! As they say: "it's not the camera, it's how you use it".

    In any case - good luck! Hope you'll get yourself a nice equipment and learn how to use it quickly. I'll be waiting for your pictures!

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    ChaseChase Registered Users Posts: 284 Major grins
    edited September 5, 2005
    I have had my digital rebel (300D) since december and I am just now outgrowing its capabilities. Especially with the firmware hack, it has done a lot for me. Main things I would want when i get a 20d are bigger buffer, higher resolution would be nice for cropping images, less shutter lag, higher framerate, and lower noise at high ISO setings. Can you tell I am a sportsshooter? :D
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    ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 23,911 moderator
    edited September 6, 2005
    Sask2005 wrote:
    ... I want to buy a professionals camera to shoot anything from people in front of me (not right in front of me) to high speeds sports action with a long lens. I need something which turns on instantly, shots multiple pics and has sufficient functions to give me perfect photos day and night, even in poor weather conditions. I don't mind if its digital or film.
    ...
    Sask
    Sask,

    You do not want film because digital cameras as much better in lowlight/hi-ISO conditions than any film I've seen. (NASA and the government may have better; they won't show us.)

    You didn't say how the images will be used or at what size. The highest number of pixels is currently the 1Ds MKII at 16 MPix. It's not the fastest frame rate, but at 8 MPix, it's supposed to be very good.

    You still need good glass and possibly lighting equipment, so keep the wallet out for quite a while. Good glass can easily cost much more than the camera.
    Sask2005 wrote:
    Price no object.
    Are you adopting? I'll help you shop! (... as long as you buy everything in twos. One for you and one for me. mwink.gif )

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    gtcgtc Registered Users Posts: 916 Major grins
    edited September 14, 2005
    in my dreams...
    If money wasn't a problem I would also consider medium format-
    the Hassleblad HD1 has 22mp and you have access to some of the best high end lenses on the market-it looks to be an excelent studio camera but I wouldn't want to lug one around in the field or on the street-same goes for the Canon 1ds models -quite heavy and bulky-so much so that you wouldn't want to carry one unless you had to-pros usually have an assistant to lug equipment etc so not much of an issue for them...

    The Leica R9 is also very nice.

    But remember that a professional camera in the hands of a non professional will be a rather heavy unit that dosen't need to be because you won't be using all its functions nor do you need that amount of resolution for commercial publishing and billboards etc.

    If,as it sounds, you are making your first foray into photography I suggest that even though you may have lots of money it would be smarter to start out a little more conservatively,buy a 20d and buy the Hasslebald for me-I would be eternally grateful and it would really help my photography.
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    dsterritodsterrito Registered Users Posts: 35 Big grins
    edited September 19, 2005
    I have a 9+ Canon A2 pro film camera and vertical grip that I would part with, reasonably priced ($100 + shipping). No lens. Email me if interested. dterrito@adelphia.net. It is in great shape.

    That being said, digital is the way to go.
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    dfdemsdfdems Registered Users Posts: 11 Big grins
    edited September 23, 2005
    [I would have to say that based on your post you would be wasting your money to jump in and get a professional grade camera.
    I would have to agree from experience. I started with a D30, bought a 10D, sold it and got a 1D mkII and still have yet to outgrow my D30 which I still have.
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