Convert to profile allows you to avoid the dithering that PS does. Rutt and I have decided that it's not really a concern, since Margulis can barely justify it himself.
I just change mode. It's easy.
I've assigned a keystroke to it, and also for going back to RGB.
I received my book 2 days ago and I am trying to quickly catch up.
I was at first a little put off by the introduction to Dan and his book. It was late at night and it read like an infomercial, that it would reduce my waist line and give me a six pack with only 5 minutes a day excercise . I guess I'm always a bit of a skeptic ...
But, it didn't take long to get hooked on Dan's book. The very first picture I tried with the lab curves was remarkable. Yet another tool ...
My question today is that on page 44, he says he prefers using Edit->Convert to Profile, instead of Image->Mode. Is Image->Mode the same thing, but without the dialog box with options?
Pathfinder has agreed to summarize Ch. 7 with a due date of 2 weeks from Monday. Hooray.
Ch 7 is where Dan puts all the basic stuff together and describes a LAB workflow.
After that, the chapters start to be more specialized and more technical. I'll do Ch. 8 in hopes of keeping up our head of steam.
I still need volunteers for subsequent chapters. There's no harm in doing a second chapter. David, you did such a good job and got so much from Ch 3, maybe you'll be ready to do another in a month and a half?
I reserve Ch. 16 for myself. I felt the same way about Ch. 7, but offered to Jim as a cookie to get him in the water. But Chs. 9-15 need owners.
Pathfinder has agreed to summarize Ch. 7 with a due date of 2 weeks from Monday. Hooray.
Ch 7 is where Dan puts all the basic stuff together and describes a LAB workflow.
After that, the chapters start to be more specialized and more technical. I'll do Ch. 8 in hopes of keeping up our head of steam.
I still need volunteers for subsequent chapters. There's no harm in doing a second chapter. David, you did such a good job and got so much from Ch 3, maybe you'll be ready to do another in a month and a half?
I reserve Ch. 16 for myself. I felt the same way about Ch. 7, but offered to Jim as a cookie to get him in the water. But Chs. 9-15 need owners.
I'm in, just assign a chapter and let me know when you need it.
Chapter 4 summary is ready!
Nikolai has posted a summary for Chapter 4, here. So it's time for all those saved up questions about casts and more narrow targeting of color changes.
Nikolai has posted a summary for Chapter 4, here. So it's time for all those saved up questions about casts and more narrow targeting of color changes.
This link is not working for me.. Anyone else getting it to work?
Greetings. Just joined and am most interested in this discussion. I'm not a photographer, but have worked professionally as a color retoucher since Photoshop V.2 and have been heavily influenced by Dan Margulis' theories for most of that time. I've incorporated LAB in my own workflow for several years now and stumbled on his latest book, totally unaware that it was coming out, possibly the day Barnes & Noble first put it on the shelf. I've read it twice and can attest to the utility of the techniques offered. It's changed the way I approach my color work and, once I got out of the notion that now i had to "do it all in LAB" found that integrating the ideas into what I've already been doing expanded dramatically the scope of what is possible.
I have a lot of reading to get up to speed with the rest of this discussion, but if something occurs to me, maybe I'll pipe up.
Cheers.
There are two ways to slide through life: to believe everything or to doubt everything; both save us from thinking.
—Korzybski
George has posted Ch. 6 and PF has posted Ch. 7. XO promises to post Ch. 5 last Thursday, so I suppose that will be anytime.
I will summarize Ch 8, probably next weekend, but perhaps a little later. DavidTO volunteered for anything I assigned him, but has not yet chosen between 9 and 10. David, please choose.
OK, now we need more volunteers and also veterans to work on second and third chapters. I have dibs on 16 and am already trying to master its technique. I think we will find that from now on the chapters don't necessarily build on one another, so it's possible for you to peruse them and find something interesting and skip ahead and start playing with it.
I finally have my copy of Dan Margulis' new book, Photoshop LAB Color : The Canyon Conundrum and Other Adventures in the Most Powerful Colorspace. This book is a runaway bestseller and I know that at least some dgrinners have it.
What about organizing a reading group to help us all get through it? We can rea a chapter a week (or two weeks?) and share questions applications of the ideas to our own shots, &etc. I think we are more likely as a group to get through it with good understanding than as indivituals.
Who is up for this? Anyone?
MOD edit: use this thread if you have any questions about the reading group, or the book in general. rutt will edit this post, right here, and add in the links to the discussions on each chapter.
Rutt in this sticky could you label what each chapter discussion with a short summary? I find myself having to look through each link to find what i need since i have terrible memory.
Rutt in this sticky could you label what each chapter discussion with a short summary? I find myself having to look through each link to find what i need since i have terrible memory.
Rutt in this sticky could you label what each chapter discussion with a short summary? I find myself having to look through each link to find what i need since i have terrible memory.
Organizing your work
This may get lost way down at the bottom of this thread, but hopefully it will be of some use to those who find it.
On my own work, with all the thousands of tools and techniques available to edit images, including Dan's 10 color channels, I find it helpful to sit on my hands and spend a few minutes just looking at the image on the monitor. Then I create a blank layer and begin to draw in comments of things I think should be "fixed" on the image. This forces me to break tasks down into pieces and arrange them in order of operation and importance, and to focus on which technique would be best to accomplish the task.
LAB corrections usually come out on the top of the pile for appropriate images, but not always, and it forces me to consider whether LAB is really the best way to begin. Sometimes, with a new awareness (LAB), everything starts there. But remember that when you have a new lawnmower, everything looks like grass.
Yeah!
Count me in for lurking back here and just absorbing. You Guys are Great. Super Thread! Thanks for opening my eyes to LAB and the Margulis book. I used LAB on my avatar of my daughter doing a corner kick in her soccer game yesterday. Love those fall colors punched up a bit.
I'm going to focus on writing up Ch 16 pretty soon, might have as soon as a week from Saturday. I've been playing with the technique for more than a month and might be getting it. Next week I'm going to take Dan's advanced 3 day course in San Diego and he promises to go over the portrait technique from Ch 16, so I'll either be totally confused or have a lot to say.
I'd like to see us on roughly a 2 week schedule -- at least one every two weeks.
Personally, I think this is a great chapter, perhaps the most useful so far. If you have trouble making masks, if you slave with your tablet outlining objects for special treatment, learn these techniques and you'll be on your way to fast accurate masking and selection in many important cases.
Error in Chapter 11? Can someone confirm this.
Hello! I'm new here... a search on the latest book by Dan Margulis sent me your way, and I've enjoyed the discussion and practical examples.
I have a question about chapter 11 where I think I've found an error. Pages 226-229 discuss the use of LAB to salvage a badly deteriorated photograph of Dan's great-great-grandmother. I have just such a photo to work on!
However, when I reach the first step on the top of page 229, I come up short every time. Here he refers the reader to perform Edit: Fade>Lighten. However, Lighten is not an available option from the Edit:Fade dropdown menu at this point. It's dimmed.
My guess is that there is another step (or steps) missing between the bottom of 228 and the top of 229. That, or I'm blowing this somehow, and I can't figure it out.
I wondered if someone else might try the steps on 228-229 and see if the problem is something I'm missing, or something missing from the book. And, if the latter, if there is some way to pass this on to Dan.
OK, given the time of year and all, I thought I'd give people some time to get around to the first portrait set, but we don't seem to have any new players.
What time is good for people who have corrected at least some of these? Let's try to find a time when we can all do it and then figure out whether to use smugmug or IM or something else to communicate while we compare the versions.
Hello! I'm new here... a search on the latest book by Dan Margulis sent me your way, and I've enjoyed the discussion and practical examples.
I have a question about chapter 11 where I think I've found an error. Pages 226-229 discuss the use of LAB to salvage a badly deteriorated photograph of Dan's great-great-grandmother. I have just such a photo to work on!
However, when I reach the first step on the top of page 229, I come up short every time. Here he refers the reader to perform Edit: Fade>Lighten. However, Lighten is not an available option from the Edit:Fade dropdown menu at this point. It's dimmed.
My guess is that there is another step (or steps) missing between the bottom of 228 and the top of 229. That, or I'm blowing this somehow, and I can't figure it out.
I wondered if someone else might try the steps on 228-229 and see if the problem is something I'm missing, or something missing from the book. And, if the latter, if there is some way to pass this on to Dan.
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I just change mode. It's easy.
I've assigned a keystroke to it, and also for going back to RGB.
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Ch 7 is where Dan puts all the basic stuff together and describes a LAB workflow.
After that, the chapters start to be more specialized and more technical. I'll do Ch. 8 in hopes of keeping up our head of steam.
I still need volunteers for subsequent chapters. There's no harm in doing a second chapter. David, you did such a good job and got so much from Ch 3, maybe you'll be ready to do another in a month and a half?
I reserve Ch. 16 for myself. I felt the same way about Ch. 7, but offered to Jim as a cookie to get him in the water. But Chs. 9-15 need owners.
I'm in, just assign a chapter and let me know when you need it.
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Choose between 9 and 10. They both look like a lot of fun. Let's see:
We might get this thing read.
Nikolai has posted a summary for Chapter 4, here. So it's time for all those saved up questions about casts and more narrow targeting of color changes.
[Edit: fixed link.]
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Sorry, link was broken in great fiasco a couple of weeks back. Try this:
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=19556
I have a lot of reading to get up to speed with the rest of this discussion, but if something occurs to me, maybe I'll pipe up.
Cheers.
—Korzybski
I will summarize Ch 8, probably next weekend, but perhaps a little later. DavidTO volunteered for anything I assigned him, but has not yet chosen between 9 and 10. David, please choose.
OK, now we need more volunteers and also veterans to work on second and third chapters. I have dibs on 16 and am already trying to master its technique. I think we will find that from now on the chapters don't necessarily build on one another, so it's possible for you to peruse them and find something interesting and skip ahead and start playing with it.
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IMO, the most interesting thing here is HIRALOAM sharpening. See my second post and following.
Chris
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That's a good idea.
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Buy the book. OK, OK, OK, I'll get around to it.
Chris
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buzz
This may get lost way down at the bottom of this thread, but hopefully it will be of some use to those who find it.
On my own work, with all the thousands of tools and techniques available to edit images, including Dan's 10 color channels, I find it helpful to sit on my hands and spend a few minutes just looking at the image on the monitor. Then I create a blank layer and begin to draw in comments of things I think should be "fixed" on the image. This forces me to break tasks down into pieces and arrange them in order of operation and importance, and to focus on which technique would be best to accomplish the task.
LAB corrections usually come out on the top of the pile for appropriate images, but not always, and it forces me to consider whether LAB is really the best way to begin. Sometimes, with a new awareness (LAB), everything starts there. But remember that when you have a new lawnmower, everything looks like grass.
Count me in for lurking back here and just absorbing. You Guys are Great. Super Thread!
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David is signed up for Chapter 9. PF is signed up for Chapter 11. I will do Chapter 16 (maybe sooner rather than later.)
So once again we need volunteers.
If no one's claimed Chapters 12 and/or 14, I'm game.
—Korzybski
I hate to sound greedy, but how about both? That would be awsome!
So here is the list of assigned chapters still to do:
Ch 9 -- DavidTo
Ch 11-- Pathfinder
Ch 12-- Edgework
Ch 14-- Edgework
Ch 16-- Rutt
I'm going to focus on writing up Ch 16 pretty soon, might have as soon as a week from Saturday. I've been playing with the technique for more than a month and might be getting it. Next week I'm going to take Dan's advanced 3 day course in San Diego and he promises to go over the portrait technique from Ch 16, so I'll either be totally confused or have a lot to say.
I'd like to see us on roughly a 2 week schedule -- at least one every two weeks.
Any volunteers for missing chapters?
Personally, I think this is a great chapter, perhaps the most useful so far. If you have trouble making masks, if you slave with your tablet outlining objects for special treatment, learn these techniques and you'll be on your way to fast accurate masking and selection in many important cases.
There are two new discussion threads posted since last week:
Chapter 12: The Man from Mars & Command, Control, Click
Chapter 16: A technique for portraits
Just orderd this book. Seems to be a great book! Just a little expensive. But what a heck, its soon christmas!
Regards
Johan
I'm having a blast with it. It really has opened up a set of new tools and helped me rethink my workflow.
Hello! I'm new here... a search on the latest book by Dan Margulis sent me your way, and I've enjoyed the discussion and practical examples.
I have a question about chapter 11 where I think I've found an error. Pages 226-229 discuss the use of LAB to salvage a badly deteriorated photograph of Dan's great-great-grandmother. I have just such a photo to work on!
However, when I reach the first step on the top of page 229, I come up short every time. Here he refers the reader to perform Edit: Fade>Lighten. However, Lighten is not an available option from the Edit:Fade dropdown menu at this point. It's dimmed.
My guess is that there is another step (or steps) missing between the bottom of 228 and the top of 229. That, or I'm blowing this somehow, and I can't figure it out.
I wondered if someone else might try the steps on 228-229 and see if the problem is something I'm missing, or something missing from the book. And, if the latter, if there is some way to pass this on to Dan.
Thanks for your time and help!
James
What time is good for people who have corrected at least some of these? Let's try to find a time when we can all do it and then figure out whether to use smugmug or IM or something else to communicate while we compare the versions.