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Art Scott · January 27, 2011

When I go to the Cat. Galleries for Clients { http://www.artscottfotografie.com/GALLERIES-for-CLIENTS } I am unable to edit the gallery description, because there does not seem to be enuff room for the save or cancel buttons.

Does this have to do with something I have done using the easy customizer or is it simply a simple SM glitch??

Andy · January 27, 2011

I see them

please write our Support Heroes we'll help from the desk

Art Scott · January 28, 2011

Thanks again Andy....

I saw them also on the all of them but the bottom 2 galleries....writing the help desk

WinsomeWorks · January 28, 2011

Art Scott wrote: »

When I go to the Cat. Galleries for Clients { http://www.artscottfotografie.com/GALLERIES-for-CLIENTS } I am unable to edit the gallery description, because there does not seem to be enuff room for the save or cancel buttons.

Does this have to do with something I have done using the easy customizer or is it simply a simple SM glitch??

There hasn't been enough room for some of the save or cancel buttons ever since I've been here, even before I customized. It's worse with certain themes, and not a problem at all in other themes. Ever since I can remember, there are some galleries for which I simply have to go into the gallery to edit the description. I have some right now where a little tiny bit of the save button is visible, so I can still click on it! Since I've never known it to not be a problem on some cat pages, I never really thought to report it. At least there's a workaround, so I guess it's been overshadowed by issues that don't have a workaround.

Art Scott · January 28, 2011

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

There hasn't been enough room for some of the save or cancel buttons ever since I've been here, even before I customized. It's worse with certain themes, and not a problem at all in other themes. Ever since I can remember, there are some galleries for which I simply have to go into the gallery to edit the description. I have some right now where a little tiny bit of the save button is visible, so I can still click on it! Since I've never known it to not be a problem on some cat pages, I never really thought to report it. At least there's a workaround, so I guess it's been overshadowed by issues that don't have a workaround.

I agree...this is what I have been doing and just decided to ask....I was told it has to do with my custom fonts and such....but still any all customization should just push that bottom line on down the page and SM should have a rule for that line that keeps it so much distance from the bottom galleries...no matter how the site is customized.....as it is much faster to do the gallery descriptions with all the galleries in one place rather than havcing to go to each gallery individually to add the descriptions.....for me it only seemed to get this way lately but it is lately that I have been adding a lot of galleries for Clients........
I would hope SM fixes this rather than telling the rest of their clients to just go into the gallery to edit descriptions...there should be a way to write a simple rule for it in the SM code that we do not have access too.............

Thanks Andy and Sebastian for the help............

jfriend · January 28, 2011

Art Scott wrote: »

I agree...this is what I have been doing and just decided to ask....I was told it has to do with my custom fonts and such....but still any all customization should just push that bottom line on down the page and SM should have a rule for that line that keeps it so much distance from the bottom galleries...no matter how the site is customized.....as it is much faster to do the gallery descriptions with all the galleries in one place rather than havcing to go to each gallery individually to add the descriptions.....for me it only seemed to get this way lately but it is lately that I have been adding a lot of galleries for Clients........
I would hope SM fixes this rather than telling the rest of their clients to just go into the gallery to edit descriptions...there should be a way to write a simple rule for it in the SM code that we do not have access too.............

Thanks Andy and Sebastian for the help............

In line editing controls are just problematic when mixed with user customizing. They just are. Fortunately, Smugmug has made it so that there is ALWAYS another way to edit them that is not influenced by customizing.

In defense of Smugmug here, it's just not possible for them to defend their inline editing controls against all possible customization. All someone has to do is set a height or width on an object with overflow hidden and things stop displaying when they don't fit. There simply is no defense other than having controls elsewhere that are not influenced by customization (which Smugmug has). If you really want them to work with your customizing, then you need to adapt your customizing to make proper room for them.

This is particularly an issue in category/sub-category pages where each thumbnail block has a height and width set on it, thus limiting what will fit into the block. Those blocks are not dynamically sized to fit the content.

Andy · January 28, 2011

jfriend wrote: »

In defense of Smugmug here, it's just not possible for them to defend their inline editing controls against all possible customization.

Very true and I hope Art and Anna Lisa can understand this

Holler to me if you don't!

Allen · January 28, 2011

jfriend wrote: »

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This is particularly an issue in category/sub-category pages where each thumbnail block has a height and width set on it, thus limiting what will fit into the block. Those blocks are not dynamically sized to fit the content.

That is why it's important to not change the red parts below. Some even
leave it out all together.

[FONT=Courier New]/* ==================================================== */
/* == FAQ #18, Line up boxes with titles underneath === */
/* ============== Current as of 13 Feb 07 ============= */
/* ==================================================== */

.miniBox {width:122px; text-align:center; height:210px; margin:0 28px;}
  .miniBox .photo {float:none; width:122px; height:auto; _height:1px;}
  .miniBox .albumTitle {width:122px;}
  .miniBox .description {width:122px;}
  .miniBox .updated {width:122px;}

[COLOR=red].loggedIn .miniBox {height:auto; min-height:300px;}
  .loggedIn .miniBox .smbuttons {margin:0 auto; width:122px;}
  .loggedIn .miniBox input {width:122px;}
  .loggedIn .miniBox textarea {width:112px;}[/COLOR]

.boxBottom .albumLarge {width:192px; height:350px; text-align:center; margin:0 24px;}
  .albumLarge .photoLarge {float:none; width:192px; height:auto; _height:1px;}
  .albumLarge .albumTitle {width:192px;}
  .albumLarge .description {width:192px;}
  .albumLarge .updated {width:192px;}

[COLOR=red].loggedIn .boxBottom .albumLarge {height:auto; min-height:450px;}
  .loggedIn .albumLarge .smbuttons {margin:0 auto; width:192px;}
  .loggedIn .albumLarge input {width:192px;}
  .loggedIn .albumLarge textarea {width:182px;}[/COLOR][/FONT]

WinsomeWorks · January 28, 2011

Andy wrote: »

Very true and I hope Art and Anna Lisa can understand this Holler to me if you don't!

Like I already said, this was a problem way before I ever even knew what customization was. It happened with certain themes, back when I had my cat pages in the simple form that was presented to me, I'm talking in the first days that I joined here. The reason it stands out in my mind so much is that back then I didn't even know I could edit within a gallery, so I had some descriptions that were blank for awhile because I couldn't figure out a a way to save them! You know how differently all the themes behave, and it's often been stated that an initial design flaw is exactly that. Techically speaking, there shouldn't be so much difference in the way they behave, but there is, & that's what we've got. Of course, there are times we look at this a positive due to the variety, but it makes building on it tough.

jfriend · January 28, 2011

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

Like I already said, this was a problem way before I ever even knew what customization was. It happened with certain themes, back when I had my cat pages in the simple form that was presented to me, I'm talking in the first days that I joined here. The reason it stands out in my mind so much is that back then I didn't even know I could edit within a gallery, so I had some descriptions that were blank for awhile because I couldn't figure out a a way to save them! You know how differently all the themes behave, and it's often been stated that an initial design flaw is exactly that. Techically speaking, there shouldn't be so much difference in the way they behave, but there is, & that's what we've got. Of course, there are times we look at this a positive due to the variety, but it makes building on it tough.

If that situation still exists, it would be a bug in a theme. A theme should be designed such that inline editing works when you're logged in - just like your own customization can be designed that way too.

Andy · January 28, 2011

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

Like I already said, this was a problem way before I ever even knew what customization was. It happened with certain themes,

Got exact, precise details? Post in the bug forum and we'll look at it. We can't address this without specific links to a gallery & category with such a theme applied, so we can see the problem. If there's a problem, we'd fix it.

WinsomeWorks · January 28, 2011

Andy wrote: »

Got exact, precise details? Post in the bug forum and we'll look at it. We can't address this without specific links to a gallery & category with such a theme applied, so we can see the problem. If there's a problem, we'd fix it.

Not sure I can call it a bug, because as you've said, it could easily be due to my customizations at this point. I do understand that; I'm just not able to trouble-shoot customizations that way. And the one page where it's a problem uses one of the newest Ornamental themes, so that theme would not have been available way back when I first joined. I can't go back now & tell you what themes I used back then when I saw this issue.... I've long forgotten. I know though that it was always in the bottom row of gallery thumbs on a category or sub-category page where I'd have the issue, & I figure that's because the "save" & "cancel" buttons were bumping up to the edge of the box.

Anyway, here's one page where it's happening now: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Friends If you look at the very bottom row of gallery thumbs, there's a gallery whose title takes up two lines. It's called "Friends Uploading Container" (unlisted) On that one, only a tiny edge of the "Save" and "Cancel" buttons appears. The theme is blue floral. It's the exact same issue at the bottom of this page: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Family/Children -- only very edge of buttons are visible on two unlisted galleries, neither of which have descriptions yet. That theme is "Sand". One of the galleries is called "Gabriel - through the years [v]" I have the 4-across customization going, so on my screen I'm seeing 3 rows of 4 galleries on that page & one row of 2 galleries (14 galleries total). Interestingly, if I move different galleries that already have descriptions to those slots, the problem goes away. So it makes room for descriptions that already exist, I guess. I doubt you can see these issues though, with the galleries being unlisted. I'm not much troubled by this issue now though, as I just go into the gallery to edit descriptions.

Incidentally, I've been wondering a lot about the possible mish-mash of customizations I've put in over the past couple yrs. & don't bump into major problems with them, but I do have little glitchy things here & there, some of which I've tried to find answers for but got no bites. Also, my site is quite slow these days, and it hasn't always been so. I'm wondering, are there people/ a person I could hire to look over an entire site's customizations like mine, and tell me what to clean up if there's stuff that's messy? I'm willing to pay for this service if it's sorta reasonable (whatever that is!) but I'm not sure who, if anyone, would offer this service. I have a lot to look over. I do also realize that I should probably find one or two themes to go with throughout the site & understand the many arguments for that. I'm thinking about it; just haven't had a direction emerge for me yet. Certain themes just work so well with certain portions of my site, so losing them will be a bummer for me at first.

Andy · January 28, 2011

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

Not sure I can call it a bug, because as you've said, it could easily be due to my customizations at this point.

it is indeed due to your customizing, here's your page with no customization:

Post in the customizing forum and let the helpers help you get your code squared away

Incidentally, I've been wondering a lot about the possible mish-mash of customizations I've put in over the past couple yrs. & don't bump into major problems with them, but I do have little glitchy things here & there, some of which I've tried to find answers for but got no bites. Also, my site is quite slow these days, and it hasn't always been so. I'm wondering, are there people/ a person I could hire to look over an entire site's customizations like mine, and tell me what to clean up if there's stuff that's messy? I'm willing to pay for this service if it's sorta reasonable (whatever that is!) but I'm not sure who, if anyone, would offer this service. I have a lot to look over. I do also realize that I should probably find one or two themes to go with throughout the site & understand the many arguments for that. I'm thinking about it; just haven't had a direction emerge for me yet. Certain themes just work so well with certain portions of my site, so losing them will be a bummer for me at first.

sticky thread, customizing forum, Anna Lisa. We have a whole bunch of Certified SmugMug customizing partners

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=188981

WinsomeWorks · January 28, 2011

Just to be clear, this did happen prior to customization, too. (But possibly not in this category) In the case of no customization, it would have happened similarly... way down at the bottom of the category, and probably with galleries having titles that ran longer & therefore formed two lines. I just don't know what themes. "Sand" always seems to take up more space in general; stuff gets spread out more in that theme, so that would be a likely one.

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