I would have really liked this one if you had positioned the subject off center (rule of 3rd) . This would have improved composition and impact. Nice shot of an interesting character.
I would have really liked this one if you had positioned the subject off center (rule of 3rd) . This would have improved composition and impact. Nice shot of an interesting character.
Good point. Looking back at it, I expect I was looking at the total mass of the scene trying to maximize what I had from the original shot. Approx 2/3 boulders/primary subject and lines, 1/3 open space to add depth.
I've made some crops for comparison with the marmot more dominate. Will post those next. All in all a good exercise for anyone. Thanks for commenting!
Good point. Approx 2/3 boulders/primary subject and lines, 1/3 open space to add depth.
I've made some crops for comparison with the marmot more dominate. Will post those next. All in all a good exercise for anyone. Thanks for commenting!
I agree...the background needs to be set up this way. Don't want the two distinct elements of the BG dividing the frame in half, either. I would probably include a bit more BG on the right, thus moving the subject off center to the left side. You will also keep the background elements from dividing the frame in half. Might also consider dropping that subject lower as well as to the left. I think this would be nice. Didn't mean to imply you needed to crop tighter.
Do like the blue green and gray rock BG elements. THe rocks make for a nice visual lead in to the subject. Enhance this and move that subject off center and I think you'll have a real winner. thumb
Could you explain your thoughts on this. Do you not think moving the subject and arranging the image to better take advantage of tried and true basic compositional rules would improve this ? Do you not think moving the subject off center and enhancing and using the angles of the rock work to lead the viewers eye into the subject would not work to improve this shot? Hmm interesting.
Here is a series of cropped versions. I either tried to keep the nose/face close to the cross 1/3rd hairs or slightly offset to preserve what looked like better balance during editing. All done while keeping the standard ratio.
Practice, practice. Small changes can make big differences. Great exercise for me, I hope for others here as well - if you need it!
Could you explain your thoughts on this. Do you not think moving the subject and arranging the image to better take advantage of tried and true basic compositional rules would improve this ? Do you not think moving the subject off center and enhancing and using the angles of the rock work to lead the viewers eye into the subject would not work to improve this shot? Hmm interesting.
You already said that..but why? I'm curious as to why it works in your opinion ? What visual and compositional elements work with the original? What make them an improvement over the offered changes ? If one is going to contradict offered suggestions they might hold more weight with supplied information to back up the claim....
Your recrops work pretty well. Perhaps a bit tight for my taste with some I prefer the last one. Really takes advantage of that angled crease in the rock work that leads the viewers eye directly into the subject. I might even like a version with more background and including the curved parts of the front/back of the rocks and including more of that colored negative space. There are more than one way to skin this cat and after meeting some compostional standards, it becomes subjective and more of a personal preference. It should however at least meet some basic compostional rule(s) before we get to " I like that one best". Nice job and keep an open mind to more than one version of any and all shots. Perhaps there is no right or wrong but there is definitely a stronger or more visually impacting. After all...it is your work. Do with it what you like. Just throwing out some suggestions and trying to back them up with a little reasoning beyond " I like it". *-)
I agree...the background needs to be set up this way. Don't want the two distinct elements of the BG dividing the frame in half, either. I would probably include a bit more BG on the right, thus moving the subject off center to the left side. You will also keep the background elements from dividing the frame in half. Might also consider dropping that subject lower as well as to the left. I think this would be nice. Didn't mean to imply you needed to crop tighter.
Do like the blue green and gray rock BG elements. THe rocks make for a nice visual lead in to the subject. Enhance this and move that subject off center and I think you'll have a real winner. thumb
The original post was pretty much right out of the can. Had to go tighter some as there was nothing on the right to slide to the left. Using Lightroom 3.3 for the edits.
Ric & Osprey...
Thanks for the comments and compliments! Appreciated them.
I guess the variety in personal taste lets us all have a piece of this business. If everyone saw things exactly the same, business would be al ot tougher.
The original post was pretty much right out of the can. Had to go tighter some as there was nothing on the right to slide to the left. Using Lightroom 3.3 for the edits.
I fully understand how quickly wildlife move and screw up your original thought for the shot. You have to grab them when you can and how you can. Having said that , perhaps trying to set the shot up more IN CAMERA , first, would have helped . You have what you have and can only make the most of it, but putting more "original" thought into the shot can only help in the long run. Get in the habit of thinking about the shot and maybe even stepping back or moving for an improved angle of view and including a bit more information at the startso you can work with it in the end.
Keep them coming and looking forward tothe next shots.
So much debate over rodent placement. W/O a doubt #3 works best.
Even better this works pretty well with groundhogs.
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I fully understand how quickly wildlife move and screw up your original thought for the shot. You have to grab them when you can and how you can. Having said that , perhaps trying to set the shot up more IN CAMERA , first, would have helped .
Just looking at that first image I can almost imagine the not having any other vantage point to shoot from aside from kneeling or something......many times shoot like this one actually wind up published with all disregard to the rule of thirds.....I like this shot to me it give a sense of urgency, urgency if only in time to get shot not necessarily di=ue to danger....It seems as if the op had nowhere else to shoot from a slight move to his left and that first step hurts like hell when he stops 500 feet later.....If I could tell this was in a large flat and there was room for moving around, then I might want to question the dead centeredness of the image...Personally I like it.......bowbow
Just looking at that first image I can almost imagine the not having any other vantage point to shoot from aside from kneeling or something......many times shoot like this one actually wind up published with all disregard to the rule of thirds.....I like this shot to me it give a sense of urgency, urgency if only in time to get shot not necessarily di=ue to danger....It seems as if the op had nowhere else to shoot from a slight move to his left and that first step hurts like hell when he stops 500 feet later.....If I could tell this was in a large flat and there was room for moving around, then I might want to question the dead centeredness of the image...Personally I like it.......bowbow
That about sums it up, Art. Rocky Mt. National Park is where i took this one, so there are a few drop offs here and there.
The marmots up there don't pose very long either. Must be your experience speaking to have that insight.
Thanks for the compliment!
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Good point. Looking back at it, I expect I was looking at the total mass of the scene trying to maximize what I had from the original shot. Approx 2/3 boulders/primary subject and lines, 1/3 open space to add depth.
I've made some crops for comparison with the marmot more dominate. Will post those next. All in all a good exercise for anyone. Thanks for commenting!
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I agree...the background needs to be set up this way. Don't want the two distinct elements of the BG dividing the frame in half, either. I would probably include a bit more BG on the right, thus moving the subject off center to the left side. You will also keep the background elements from dividing the frame in half. Might also consider dropping that subject lower as well as to the left. I think this would be nice. Didn't mean to imply you needed to crop tighter.
Do like the blue green and gray rock BG elements. THe rocks make for a nice visual lead in to the subject. Enhance this and move that subject off center and I think you'll have a real winner.
"Osprey Whisperer"
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"Osprey Whisperer"
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Practice, practice. Small changes can make big differences. Great exercise for me, I hope for others here as well - if you need it!
What's your best pick??
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I think the composition works for this image
ie....I like it.
You already said that..but why? I'm curious as to why it works in your opinion ? What visual and compositional elements work with the original? What make them an improvement over the offered changes ? If one is going to contradict offered suggestions they might hold more weight with supplied information to back up the claim....
"Osprey Whisperer"
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The original post was pretty much right out of the can. Had to go tighter some as there was nothing on the right to slide to the left. Using Lightroom 3.3 for the edits.
http://hdroamer.com
Thanks for the comments and compliments! Appreciated them.
I guess the variety in personal taste lets us all have a piece of this business. If everyone saw things exactly the same, business would be al ot tougher.
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I fully understand how quickly wildlife move and screw up your original thought for the shot. You have to grab them when you can and how you can. Having said that , perhaps trying to set the shot up more IN CAMERA , first, would have helped . You have what you have and can only make the most of it, but putting more "original" thought into the shot can only help in the long run. Get in the habit of thinking about the shot and maybe even stepping back or moving for an improved angle of view and including a bit more information at the startso you can work with it in the end.
Keep them coming and looking forward tothe next shots.
"Osprey Whisperer"
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Sorry, that won't work with me, Mike.:D
I still like it.
Good thing it's America and you are entitled to your opinion. No matter how incorrect, flawed or unsubstantiated it might be..:D
I liked it also..but thought it could be improved.
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Terrific, then we agree!
Even better this works pretty well with groundhogs.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Do I have to ? Ok...
I've had that dish. Not my favorite. Too many carbs and calories. Not good for the figure.
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Just looking at that first image I can almost imagine the not having any other vantage point to shoot from aside from kneeling or something......many times shoot like this one actually wind up published with all disregard to the rule of thirds.....I like this shot to me it give a sense of urgency, urgency if only in time to get shot not necessarily di=ue to danger....It seems as if the op had nowhere else to shoot from a slight move to his left and that first step hurts like hell when he stops 500 feet later.....If I could tell this was in a large flat and there was room for moving around, then I might want to question the dead centeredness of the image...Personally I like it.......
That about sums it up, Art. Rocky Mt. National Park is where i took this one, so there are a few drop offs here and there.
The marmots up there don't pose very long either. Must be your experience speaking to have that insight.
Thanks for the compliment!
Dave
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