Settings to scan 35mm Negatives ????

kirbinsterkirbinster Registered Users Posts: 301 Major grins
edited February 26, 2011 in Finishing School
I have an Epson Perfection V500 scanner with negative tray and would like to start scanning lots of old 35mm negatives I have laying around. What is the best way to do this? What resolution and DPI settings should I use? Am I best to use the software that comes with the scanner, or is there better software to use for this task?
Nikon D700, D300, D5000 , Nikon 85mm f/1.8, 28-300 AF-S VRII, 70-300AF-S VR, 70-200 AF-S VR f/2.8, 10.5mm Fisheye, Sigma 12-24mm, Nikon 24-70 f/2.8, 2 SB-600 Speedlights Manfrotto 190MF3 tripod & 322RC2 ball grip head. - NJ, USA
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  • colourboxcolourbox Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2011
    All of the answers depend on what your final goal is.
    Family archive or fine art/magazine quality?
    TV/web viewing only or enlargeable to very large print sizes?
    etc.
  • pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,703 moderator
    edited February 9, 2011
    Scanning positives or negatives can vary from a simple, easy task, to a quite complex undertaking, depending of your requirements in terms of image quality, as Colourbox alluded to.

    The software that came with your V500 will work ok.

    A lot of folks who scan professionally like and use VueScan I have used scanning software from www.hamrick.com for a decade. VueScan will operate almost all film and flatbed scanners on the marker. It is now 64bit aware and compatible too. Cheap too.
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  • basfltbasflt Registered Users Posts: 1,882 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2011
    Epson driver will do fine
    there are other software's , but they need your original Epson software to work
    [ cant hurt to check their site for newer version though ]

    scan at a high resolution , but ,
    there is no need for real high resolution , as it will not overcome original resolution of the film , it just takes longer to scan
    if you can see original pixels its ok
    its a bit of try and find out

    whats more importend , is
    both the film and glass-plate are clean
    and with clean , i mean spotlessly clean
    every dust fiber will be visible

    and , my idea ,
    forget these so-called "auto" stuff
    just scan , save , and use photoshop or other editor to finish it off
  • kirbinsterkirbinster Registered Users Posts: 301 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2011
    I guess what I am looking at is good enough quality so that I could make an 8x10 of the image if I wanted to. I only want to do this once, so I want to make sure to do it at a high enough quality that I don't have to search through negatives and do it again. So, given that info what bit depth and resolution should I shoot for. Thanks.
    Nikon D700, D300, D5000 , Nikon 85mm f/1.8, 28-300 AF-S VRII, 70-300AF-S VR, 70-200 AF-S VR f/2.8, 10.5mm Fisheye, Sigma 12-24mm, Nikon 24-70 f/2.8, 2 SB-600 Speedlights Manfrotto 190MF3 tripod & 322RC2 ball grip head. - NJ, USA
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  • basfltbasflt Registered Users Posts: 1,882 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2011
    what I am looking at is good enough quality so that I could make an 8x10 of the image if I wanted to
    you gave the answer ............

    scanning at higher res will only take longer
    just find the balance that works best for you [ and your scanner ]
    to high res is waste of time
    do some scans at different settings , than compare and choose your settings that work best for you

    save to disk , then edit , [ from a copy ] ,you only have to scan once
  • pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,703 moderator
    edited February 9, 2011
    8 x 10 inches at 300 pixels per inch -> 2400 x 3000 total pixels should be more than adequate for what you need - 2400*3000 = 7.2 Mpxls which is a pretty big file. You may be satisfied with a smaller file size 200 ppi x 8 = 1600, 200x10 in= 2000 2000*1600 = 3.2 Mpxls

    I would scan in 16 bit myself, as it collects more data, and there is less likelihood of posterization of skies and large areas of smooth color. Do a good job once, and you will not have to come back and do it again later. Some folks will scan to 8 bit, but your file will be much more brittle when edited.

    An important point is picking a good black and white point in your scans.

    Scantips is a great source for unbiased information about scanning negatives, positives, and prints....

    Remember, this is all digital, so other than your time, it is "free" so play with it a while and get a feeling for what you can and cannot do. The Epson V500 is a nice flatbed scanner ( I own a V 700 ) .
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  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited February 25, 2011
    pathfinder wrote: »
    The Epson V500 is a nice flatbed scanner ( I own a V 700 ) .


    PF,

    How does that scanner do with negatives? I'm buying a panoramic 35mm camera. I plan on processing the b/w film myself and then scanning. I'm looking for an inexpensive solution, and I'm wondering if I can get by with a flatbed or if I need to get a film scanner.

    EDIT: Also, I should mention that each frame will be roughly 2x as long as a conventional 35mm frame, so conventional scanner set to scan a 35mm frame would mean that I'd have to stitch them afterwards, which is something I'd like to avoid.
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  • kirbinsterkirbinster Registered Users Posts: 301 Major grins
    edited February 25, 2011
    The V500 is working quite well for me with Vuescan.
    Nikon D700, D300, D5000 , Nikon 85mm f/1.8, 28-300 AF-S VRII, 70-300AF-S VR, 70-200 AF-S VR f/2.8, 10.5mm Fisheye, Sigma 12-24mm, Nikon 24-70 f/2.8, 2 SB-600 Speedlights Manfrotto 190MF3 tripod & 322RC2 ball grip head. - NJ, USA
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  • pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,703 moderator
    edited February 25, 2011
    A flat bed scanner should work fine, since it will not be limited to a 24x36mm window. A flatbed v700 will scan 4x5 or 8 x10 negatives. Since your negatives are B&W you do not have to be concerned with color negative emulsion issues.

    VueScan has settings for B&W negative scans too.
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  • BinaryFxBinaryFx Registered Users Posts: 707 Major grins
    edited February 26, 2011
    Resolution = the highest *optical* value that the scanner offers (not interpolated).

    Size = 100% or same size as the original

    Bit Depth = The highest that the scanner offers.

    If the software does a good job of inverting (easy) and removing the colour mask (not as easy), then use the scanner controls to make this positive and acceptable "true" colour. Otherwise, scan as a neg. and one can use Photoshop to invert, remove the colour mask and balance the colour. Some may use Lightroom or Adobe Camera Raw to "develop" their negs scans, as they can quickly sync. settings over batches or multiple scans (parametric edits as opposed to traditional pixel level edits).

    You will save more time making sure that the images are clean before scanning, than dustbusting after scanning.


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