Hillyard creepin

neatnameneatname Registered Users Posts: 7 Beginner grinner
edited March 10, 2011 in Street and Documentary
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  • bdcolenbdcolen Registered Users Posts: 3,804 Major grins
    edited March 8, 2011
    But what do these places really look like - Can't tell with all the PS work.
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  • DonRicklinDonRicklin Registered Users Posts: 5,551 Major grins
    edited March 8, 2011
    bdcolen wrote: »
    But what do these places really look like - Can't tell with all the PS work.
    BD, what do you 'mean' by really look like when your average street image is B&W? Not even color.

    Yes, they are none typical street image, with no people. But are they really any less true to the scene?

    :D

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  • RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,961 moderator
    edited March 8, 2011
    I like the first one. It reminds me of Chicago when I was a kid.
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  • bdcolenbdcolen Registered Users Posts: 3,804 Major grins
    edited March 8, 2011
    DonRicklin wrote: »
    BD, what do you 'mean' by really look like when your average street image is B&W? Not even color.

    Yes, they are none typical street image, with no people. But are they really any less true to the scene?

    :D

    Don

    Indeed I do convert to black and white, for the simple reason that digital cameras, which, technically, are black and white capture instruments which internally convert the image to color, don't give me the option of shooting raw black and white. But these images have intentionally been colored in weird ways in photo shop. They do not resemble anything - EVER - seen by the photographer, or anyone else, in the real world. The question isn't whether this is or is not street photography - I've given up going there. rolleyes1.gif But the photographer asked for comment, and my comment is that because of the post processing, I really have no way to judge the photo, no way to know whether he captured the scene. :D
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  • damonffdamonff Registered Users Posts: 1,894 Major grins
    edited March 8, 2011
    I agree with BD - there is too much strange color for the viewer to be able to discern what is going on in the image. When an image is color, it should be about the color and these images are certainly about the color and that's fine. #1 is ok, but it's a wall...and #2 is a door shot through a fence...and #3 is a wall and some sort of broken down structure. There isn't really anything to look at here and the color seems to be an attempt to mask this. Colorful nothing is still nothing. In regard to the black and white comment, photography was originally black and white and photography as a medium was shot in grays only. It is a shadow and light experience mainly. Many seem to think that adding radical color or aperture stars or streaming headlights from cars make a boring subject interesting; they do not. The subject itself needs to be interesting sans gimmicks. One can take two consecutive photographs of the same subject two seconds apart and one will be an excellent capture and one will be junk. The only thing that is different is the moment, the eye contact, the smile. The essence has to be there without the extras. Black and white allows us to see these fine details more clearly because of the absence of color. More of an attempt needs to be made to make a photograph meaningful at the moment of the shutter's release.
  • DonRicklinDonRicklin Registered Users Posts: 5,551 Major grins
    edited March 8, 2011
    Then maybe this set belongs in "Other Cool Shots", where those who enjoy manipulated images can, if they wish, enjoy them for what they are, rather than have them here Street and PJ where they don't truly fit....

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    Don
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  • jrogersjrogers Registered Users Posts: 79 Big grins
    edited March 8, 2011
    to put in my $0.02...I think the shots work well with the post-processing.
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  • jdryan3jdryan3 Registered Users Posts: 1,353 Major grins
    edited March 8, 2011
    The first two need to be straightened since the building/ door/ horizon lines are skewed. I do like the PP on #1 & #3.
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  • neatnameneatname Registered Users Posts: 7 Beginner grinner
    edited March 8, 2011
    You all like to bitch at each other. I have taking pics for less than a year, so I like hearing your thoughts and pointers. We could all take a picture of the exact same thing, any way we wanted and how ever each of us saw it, it would be different. Most of the photos I do have are of junk, and junky buildings I see. I am sure if you were to look back at the photos you took your 1st year they were not perfect. Just saying..I like hearing it all, don't get me wrong. Cheers!
  • rainbowrainbow Registered Users Posts: 2,765 Major grins
    edited March 9, 2011
    DonRicklin wrote: »
    Then maybe this set belongs in "Other Cool Shots", where those who enjoy manipulated images can, if they wish, enjoy them for what they are, rather than have them here Street and PJ where they don't truly fit....

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  • neatnameneatname Registered Users Posts: 7 Beginner grinner
    edited March 10, 2011
    Would B&W pics be manipulated?
  • rainbowrainbow Registered Users Posts: 2,765 Major grins
    edited March 10, 2011
    neatname wrote: »
    Would B&W pics be manipulated?

    The obvious answer is that all photos are manipulated in some fashion.

    But that does not get to the gist of the discussion of why some forum members (myself included) may feel that the treatment you utilize is not a good fit for this forum. Street photography and photojournalism do have a tradition utilizing black and white, though color is perfectly acceptable. There is also some nebulous "representation of reality" that should be adhered to (thus something that is not there should not be added in, and something in the image that is present should not be photoshopped out).

    So without judging your shots and processing, Don Ricklin's comment: "Then maybe this set belongs in "Other Cool Shots", where those who enjoy manipulated images can, if they wish, enjoy them for what they are, rather than have them here Street and PJ where they don't truly fit...." is spot on. In "Other Cool Shots", shots similar to these are often posted and well received.

    Hope this helps to clarify.
  • HarrybHarryb Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 22,708 Major grins
    edited March 10, 2011
    neatname wrote: »
    You all like to bitch at each other. I have taking pics for less than a year, so I like hearing your thoughts and pointers. We could all take a picture of the exact same thing, any way we wanted and how ever each of us saw it, it would be different. Most of the photos I do have are of junk, and junky buildings I see. I am sure if you were to look back at the photos you took your 1st year they were not perfect. Just saying..I like hearing it all, don't get me wrong. Cheers!

    We sure do like bitching at each other, heck here in the USA bitching is really our national pastime.

    Now as far as the feedback you're getting the consensus (at the moment) is that they disagree with your processing of the images. So what?

    You have to decide if the feedback is useful to you and if you can use it in your future efforts. I did similar type of processing in my earlier efforts and enjoyed it. I still like those old images.

    If you're happy with your results keep on doing what you're doing.

    I like the first image of your set but the last two just don't hold my interest.
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