How do I enter a keyword with a hyphen in it?

jfriend

If have 700 images that I keyworded in Lightroom with a keyword of long-beach. I'm trying to manually keyword a few more in Smugmug to match, but it will not let me add that particular keyword. When I try to add long-beach, it removes the hyphen and I end up with longbeach. If I try to put it in quotes as "long-beach", I still end up with longbeach (no hyphen).

How do I enter a keyword with a hyphen in it? Why can't I enter a keyword with a hyphen in it?

Now, having the same problem with another keyword "Rowing-Spring-2011", which already exists on 1600 photos and I need to match it by editing a few photos in Smugmug.

annnna8888

Hi John, this is how it works at the moment: apostrophes, periods, and underscores are valid characters. However, slashes and hyphens are not and will be stripped from the keyword.
http://www.smugmug.com/help/keywords-tags

Ana

jfriend

annnna8888 wrote: »

Hi John, this is how it works at the moment: apostrophes, periods, and underscores are valid characters. However, slashes and hyphens are not and will be stripped from the keyword.
http://www.smugmug.com/help/keywords-tags

Ana

Why does it work this way? Obviously Lightroom thinks a hyphen is a perfectly valid character in a keyword.

annnna8888

A hyphen is used for combining keywords, that's why it can't be part of a keyword. Let's say you search for photos with the keyword long and then narrow the search with the additional keyword beach, and you get this:
http://www.smugmug.com/keyword/all/long-beach

I wish I had a better answer for you, sorry.

Ana

jfriend

annnna8888 wrote: »

A hyphen is used for combining keywords, that's why it can't be part of a keyword. Let's say you search for photos with the keyword long and then narrow the search with the additional keyword beach, and you get this:
http://www.smugmug.com/keyword/all/long-beach

I wish I had a better answer for you, sorry.

Ana

I wish you guys would follow the IPTC spec and honor all characters it allows in a keyword. You could solve the multiple keyword in a URL problem a different way. As it is now, you are modifying my keywords when I upload, making the images on Smugmug have different keywords than my images in Lightroom.

Andy

Hi John,

Lightroom is a little different than SmugMug We use hyphens as a multiple keyword separator in our URLs, and have for a long time:
http://jfriend.smugmug.com/keyword/cheetah-kenya#406177117_7oRB9

We wish it weren't the case, but it's difficult to change over to something new and keep backwards compatibility.

jfriend

Andy wrote: »

Hi John,

Lightroom is a little different than SmugMug We use hyphens as a multiple keyword separator in our URLs, and have for a long time:
http://jfriend.smugmug.com/keyword/cheetah-kenya#406177117_7oRB9

We wish it weren't the case, but it's difficult to change over to something new and keep backwards compatibility.

Bad design decision to use a legal keyword character as your URL delimiter. IT's one more thing to confuse your users about keywords (as if there weren't enough things to get confused on with them). This means you're automatically modifying the keywords on every one of my images when I upload them and often when I explicitly enter keywords in the Smugmug UI). Very confusing. And, now my Smugmug images show different keywords than what I have in Lightroom too.

Andy

jfriend wrote: »

Bad design decision to use a legal keyword character as your URL delimiter. IT's one more thing to confuse your users about keywords (as if there weren't enough things to get confused on with them). This means you're automatically modifying the keywords on every one of my images when I upload them and often when I explicitly enter keywords in the Smugmug UI). Very confusing. And, now my Smugmug images show different keywords than what I have in Lightroom too.

Hey, I'm just the messenger in this case, trying to explain to you how it was built. Hopefully we can one day change this, thanks for laying it out for us, John!

WinsomeWorks

This has been a pain for me for a long time here, with the IPTC spec not being followed. Drives me up a wall with stock images, because those companies generally accept the hyphen. And just recently I started using 2 keywords with hyphens and then realized I couldn't; they didn't make any sense at all without the hyphen. It's used so legitimately in so many words; I've never understood this policy. Shucks, I'm just getting into using LightRoom too, and had just started wondering how I was going to get around this. It sounds like there's not a good way around it. Trying to be patient...