quick question,

korandoke · June 15, 2011

quick question,

the pictures shown here are never assessed.
if they do not mean to say this is not good.
this is the African mentality enjoyable, experience of time?
if you learn nothing here?
or is it just to show off

Kind regards
Korandoke

basflt · June 15, 2011

i think its better then at nederpix
they assess every pic to their rules
would you prefer that ?
i dont , this here is better IMO

Harryb · June 15, 2011

Good question. I try to critque images when I feel I can be helpful and when I think the poster will welcome the feedback. There are some posters who are just want to share their images and some who want critque.

There's a lot to learn here and I have seen quite a few posters who images have improved markedly during their time here. If you want critque its best to post only one image. Its tough to critque a series of images.

If you see image that impress ask the poster questions about their technique and post processing. I have been participating on photography sites for about 10 years now. My photography has improved due to this participation. I've learned from the support & critques I've recieved as well as from viewing the images of skilled photographers.

korandoke · June 15, 2011

Google translate doesn't always work that well

I asked my wife for some assistance:

What I meant was,
we don't have to tear down every picture if we do not like it and we certainly don't have to follow 'the rules' every time, their has to be some space for artistic freedom and creativity, but
Why not share some usefull information or give eachother pointers or tips so we all can improve and learn something?
We are all doing the same thing here, I am sure you know things I don't and the other way around, why not spread our knowledge?
It's a big difference between assesments and giving a critical review, that was not at all what I meant.
I know what you mean basflt,

I can add a few other to that list if you want.... why do you think I have joined Digital Grin?:D

korandoke · June 15, 2011

You were to fast for me Harryb

Our messages just crossed eachother at the same time

but

You read my mind!

Greets, Korandoke (asssited by his translater

)

Harryb · June 15, 2011

korandoke wrote: »

Google translate doesn't always work that well I asked my wife for some assistance:

What I meant was,
we don't have to tear down every picture if we do not like it and we certainly don't have to follow 'the rules' every time, their has to be some space for artistic freedom and creativity, but
Why not share some usefull information or give eachother pointers or tips so we all can improve and learn something?
We are all doing the same thing here, I am sure you know things I don't and the other way around, why not spread our knowledge?
It's a big difference between assesments and giving a critical review, that was not at all what I meant.
I know what you mean basflt, I can add a few other to that list if you want.... why do you think I have joined Digital Grin?:D

I have already done a tutorial on wildlife photography. There is a ton of useful info in the tutorial section of Dgrin. Most of the forums have stickies with lots of good info. A lot of the info you a seeking is already here. You just have to do some digging of your own.

basflt · June 15, 2011

korandoke wrote: »

Why not share some usefull information or give eachother pointers or tips so we all can improve and learn something?
We are all doing the same thing here, I am sure you know things I don't and the other way around, why not spread our knowledge?
It's a big difference between assesments and giving a critical review, that was not at all what I meant.

aha ,,,,,,,,,,,,
well , this is a small forum
its the users that do [not] reply
and if they do its short

i [think] i get your point , Eric
this is a FORUM [ discussing things ] not a "show your pic here site"
so , whats to discuss ?

the photo's ?

IMO its fine now , but i agree with you , it could be better

and , not to offend you , .....
you are a great photographer ....
start discussing , criticizing other people's photo's yourself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

korandoke · June 15, 2011

I just found it strange that I didn't see any discussions here, I thought it was 'not done' here

@basflt: I don't considder myself as a good photographer, I still have a lot to learn and I am always jalous of my wife's pics (witch se wrote herself

(hey, don't shoot the translater!:ivar))

Harryb · June 15, 2011

korandoke wrote: »

I just found it strange that I didn't see any discussions here, I thought it was 'not done' here

@basflt: I don't considder myself as a good photographer, I still have a lot to learn and I am always jalous of my wife's pics (witch se wrote herself (hey, don't shoot the translater!:ivar))

They have been discussions before.

There are only two things that are not done (usually) here.

#1 having more than two picture threads on page 1.

#2 being rude or discourteous

Other than that anything goes.

basflt · June 15, 2011

korandoke wrote: »

I don't considder myself as a good photographer,

i think you are extreme good !!!!!!!!!!!!!1

help to tilt this forum to a [even] higher level
give hints & tips for those who need
give critic to help improve other ones skills
give compliment for those who deserve

if nobody reply's , there is no forum
snapt U ? [ get my point ? ]

dbveto · June 15, 2011

I shoot allot of sports and the couple of times I have posted I have gotten some nice critique and tips on how to improve so I have learned from that.
I think this forum is great because of so many that are willing to advice others.

korandoke · June 15, 2011

ik begrijp je, I understand completely!

And I did not mean to put down the forum in any way, I think it's great to!
I'll work on improving it myself to in the future ;-)

Has anyone seen the lunar eclipse?

Icebear · June 15, 2011

This is a great post.
1. I try very hard to discern whether the poster of a photo is really looking for serious critique before I offer it. I've been around DGrin long enough to have a pretty good aquaintance with a lot of regulars. I'm not shy about offerring unsolicited critique to those I know welcome it.

2. I'm hesitant to critique an image from a "newish" member unless they clearly ask for it or are obviously an accomplished photographer. Otherwise, if I can't find something positive to say, I say nothing.

3. I think DGrin is all about the advancement of photography, not necessarily about advanced photography.

4. I wish everyone would imbed the exif data with their images. I learn so much from that data.

Tallboy · June 15, 2011

Icebear wrote: »

This is a great post.
1. I try very hard to discern whether the poster of a photo is really looking for serious critique before I offer it. I've been around DGrin long enough to have a pretty good aquaintance with a lot of regulars. I'm not shy about offerring unsolicited critique to those I know welcome it.

2. I'm hesitant to critique an image from a "newish" member unless they clearly ask for it or are obviously an accomplished photographer. Otherwise, if I can't find something positive to say, I say nothing.

3. I think DGrin is all about the advancement of photography, not necessarily about advanced photography.

4. I wish everyone would imbed the exif data with their images. I learn so much from that data.

This.

I don't post much because I am a very inexperienced shooter. When I do I am very much wanting criticism and tips to get better. There are so many incredible talensts around here. I lurk around because of the same reason - hoping to pick up some knowledge. I even more rarely comment on photos because I don't feel I have the credit to do so, unless it is something I may have knowledge of.

Kind of a Catch 22.

Icebear · June 15, 2011

Tallboy wrote: »

I even more rarely comment on photos because I don't feel I have the credit to do so, unless it is something I may have knowledge of.

Kind of a Catch 22.

Not a Catch 22 at all

Perhaps you should ask lots of questions about photos you admire. Chances are, you're not the only one who could learn from the answer to your question.

Harryb · June 15, 2011

Tallboy wrote: »

This.

I don't post much because I am a very inexperienced shooter. When I do I am very much wanting criticism and tips to get better. There are so many incredible talensts around here. I lurk around because of the same reason - hoping to pick up some knowledge. I even more rarely comment on photos because I don't feel I have the credit to do so, unless it is something I may have knowledge of.

Kind of a Catch 22.

I know the feeling because that's the way I felt when I first started participating in online photography forums.

The best way to learn is to post one of your images and ask for critiques. Also don't be shy about asking someone how they got a capture that they have posted.

When I first started my images weren't very good. Getting critiques from more experienced photographers was a big help to me.

spikedcarla · June 15, 2011

This is by far my favorite section. Yes, I would like more info re: the technicality of how the picture was taken. I must say, I have learned that patience is key... understanding your subject is key.... and sometimes - glass does matter.

I love all the photos here. I wish I could have the patience to capture those twitchy birds. I wish I had the glass to capture those larger birds that I have had brief contact with.

I guess my only suggestion, as a novice photographer who has yet to post anything, perhaps you could let us know a bit more about your camera settings - how you achieved such great bokah, detail, etc.

Meanwhile, I envy your "captures" and look forward to your pics daily.

Tallboy · June 16, 2011

Harryb wrote: »

I know the feeling because that's the way I felt when I first started participating in online photography forums.

The best way to learn is to post one of your images and ask for critiques. Also don't be shy about asking someone how they got a capture that they have posted.

When I first started my images weren't very good. Getting critiques from more experienced photographers was a big help to me.

The other thing...especially for wildlife shooting would be discussion on setups/blinds/tools, etc. I don't know if these sort of learned things are secrets of the trade or not - but I've been tempted to post pictures of my setups to get input and tips from others?

Icebear · June 16, 2011

Tallboy wrote: »

but I've been tempted to post pictures of my setups to get input and tips from others?

Too much talk - too few images

Tallboy · June 16, 2011

Icebear wrote: »

Too much talk - too few images

That means I need to go ahead and tote my old camera with me next time I go out.

jwear · June 16, 2011

I have been posting on this forum for a long time and all things stated in this post have happened here . If you want help you ask and 9 out of 10 times you get some . criticism of a photo is not always a good thing ,each of us like our own work, it is art so we look at it in our own way . But if you want some again ask and it will come. Still after you have shot birds for a long time you learn what is liked or what is a wow photo by 70% of folks and that is what you aim for .
I have not broken Harry's 1st rule but #2 I have a time or 2

A forum like this will help you learn but shooting and a few hands on classes well help you improve much better and posting will let you know .

korandoke · June 17, 2011

if you make more better.
You can also post more

kind regards,
korandoke

jwear · June 17, 2011

korandoke wrote: »

if you make more better.
You can also post more

kind regards,
korandoke

you would have to say that in english so I get what you mean

korandoke · June 17, 2011

jwear wrote: »

you would have to say that in english so I get what you mean

sorry,
if you create better images, you can also post more pictures
to better?

kind regards,
korandoke

Icebear · June 17, 2011

His English is a sight better than my Flemish

basflt · June 17, 2011

im not sure , but
if i understand what korandoke
says / means

if you would make better photo's , then you could / should upload more photo's

and , if that what he means , he is right
this is one of the best sites around , but with not much activity

to be short ;
stop nibbling and start posting , and get this forum alive

[ if i mis-understood , let me know and i remove this reply ]

korandoke · June 17, 2011

basflt wrote: »

im not sure , but
if i understand what korandoke
says / means

if you would make better photo's , then you could / should upload more photo's

and , if that what he means , he is right
this is one of the best sites around , but with not much activity

to be short ;
stop nibbling and start posting , and get this forum alive

[ if i mis-understood , let me know and i remove this reply ]

You've understood correctly

kind regards,
korandoke

basflt · June 17, 2011

Icebear wrote: »

His English is a sight better than my Flemish

, sir , language should not be an issue here on DGrin

[ although Flemish is not a language , but a dialect

] :lol4

korandoke · June 17, 2011

basically you say Dutch

kind regards,
korandoke

Yaflyyadie · June 17, 2011

When I first got to this forum, I thought I knew something.
Posted my first two pictures and found that I was mediocre composing and behind the lens.
With input from this forum, people who know about this trade and other professional photographers, my knowledge has improved and
my pictures have jumped from -010 to + 3. (My own assessment).
Critique some times is felt like having your ego stabbed, after the pain is gone, you see the LIGHT and appreciate the comment.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My .02 cents from my Ego and I
Y..

basflt · June 17, 2011

Yaflyyadie wrote: »

When I first got to this forum, I thought I knew something.
Posted my first two pictures and found that I was mediocre composing and behind the lens.
With input from this forum, people who know about this trade and other professional photographers, my knowledge has improved and
my pictures have jumped from -010 to + 3. (My own assessment).
Critique some times is felt like having your ego stabbed, after the pain is gone, you see the LIGHT and appreciate the comment.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My .02 cents from my Ego and I
Y..

good to hear ........

critic is often also usefull , to help improve skill

if nobody reply , there is no forum !!!!

quick question,

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