My 20d seems to come through

3rdPlanetPhotography3rdPlanetPhotography Banned Posts: 920 Major grins
edited October 15, 2005 in Landscapes
Here are some photos that I shot this past weekend. These are without any photoshop editing. They are directly off the camera. thumb.gif

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Ok critique away. I know they need some editing but I guess I was just impressed with what the camera gave me.

Thanks
kc7dji

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  • thdizzythdizzy Registered Users Posts: 262 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    No offense KC...But my wifes Casio 'point and shoot' would come through just as well; if not better.

    I aplogize if I am missing your point.
    Todd Disraeli - Star, Idaho

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  • GREAPERGREAPER Registered Users Posts: 3,113 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    I think the point is that KC got a new camera. It has produced nice sharp pictures with good fine detail and no exposure problems despite some difficult lighting situations. Just think what it will do once KC is comfortable with the controls and has time to experiment with it and push the limits of the new camera.

    Congrats KC and thanks for sharing. I am looking forward to seeing more.
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  • thdizzythdizzy Registered Users Posts: 262 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    GREAPER wrote:
    I think the point is that KC got a new camera. It has produced nice sharp pictures with good fine detail and no exposure problems despite some difficult lighting situations.
    EXIF data from his Smugmug site shows that he has had the camera for several months now. Maybe this is his second 20D.

    No exposure problems? Images 1, 3, and 4 have slightly blown out sections that a stop or two would have solved; especially with the 20D. IMHO

    Again, I apologize if I missed the intent of the original post.
    Todd Disraeli - Star, Idaho

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    "Only when the last tree has died, the last river poisoned, and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money" Cree Indian Proverb
  • ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    Nice shots, KC!

    Did you shoot RAW or jpg?

    ginger
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  • Mike LaneMike Lane Registered Users Posts: 7,106 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    thdizzy wrote:
    No offense KC...But my wifes Casio 'point and shoot' would come through just as well; if not better.

    I aplogize if I am missing your point.
    :nah

    Really, is that kind of response necessary? Let's try not to heap trash onto people. If you don't like his shot, fine. Why don't you try to offer some advice on how to improve it? Otherwise, just move along.
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  • lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,208 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    Its unusual to have this kind of terse and rather unsupportive response in dgrin..thanks for posting KC - maybe its not meant to be offensive but you come accross as very sharp dizzyne_nau.gif
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  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    Hey, congrats on wrestling your 20D into submission! I know that when I got mine (stepped up from original DRebel), I was so pleased with the build and the ergonomics. Such a pleasure to use compared to the Rebel. I was never enamored with the full frame jobbies, cause they're so darn big. Now the 5D comes along....I'm only a hobbyist that likes to take pics of my kids, mostly. Hard to justify, but boy would I love it...
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  • thdizzythdizzy Registered Users Posts: 262 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    Mike Lane wrote:
    :nah

    Really, is that kind of response necessary? Let's try not to heap trash onto people. If you don't like his shot, fine
    Hey Mike - KC asked for critique after eluding to the fact that he was impressed with how good the images were right out of the camera. My reply might have been a little harsh but the post just really suprised me after reviewing the images.

    To add, as an accomplished photographer, would you not agree that a 'point and shoot' could deleiver images just as well as those if not better; right out of the camera?

    Lynnma - You've seen me posting here for a while now and you know it's not my demeanor to be sharp or harsh. However, I believe that sharp comments will always be respected over sugar-coated back patting; except by those with thin skin.

    This is a great social forum which sometimes seems a little too friendly and please don't take that wrong way. I have just seen more than a few poor images posted where several people will leave "wonderful" comments when the replies should really offer some serious critique.

    Last but not least...There is nothing I love more than posting an image and having someone set me straight, all it does is make me better at what I do. When I post with NPN I always scroll past the "wonderful" comments and can't wait to read the solid crtique; the harsher the better.

    IMHO
    Todd Disraeli - Star, Idaho

    Disraeli Photography

    "Only when the last tree has died, the last river poisoned, and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money" Cree Indian Proverb
  • SeamusSeamus Registered Users Posts: 1,573 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    thdizzy wrote:
    Hey Mike - KC asked for critique after eluding to the fact that he was impressed with how good the images were right out of the camera. My reply might have been a little harsh but the post just really suprised me after reviewing the images.

    To add, as an accomplished photographer, would you not agree that a 'point and shoot' could deleiver images just as well as those if not better; right out of the camera?

    Lynnma - You've seen me posting here for a while now and you know it's not my demeanor to be sharp or harsh. However, I believe that sharp comments will always be respected over sugar-coated back patting; except by those with thin skin.

    This is a great social forum which sometimes seems a little too friendly and please don't take that wrong way. I have just seen more than a few poor images posted where several people will leave "wonderful" comments when the replies should really offer some serious critique.

    Last but not least...There is nothing I love more than posting an image and having someone set me straight, all it does is make me better at what I do. When I post with NPN I always scroll past the "wonderful" comments and can't wait to read the solid crtique; the harsher the better.

    IMHO

    Todd,

    I have looked at your gallery and your posts here on Dgrin and you are an accomplished and talented photographer.

    But a sarcastic comment "But my wifes Casio 'point and shoot' would come through just as well; if not better." is rude. Plain and simple, rude.

    If you wish to look at the sports forum and read Andrew Wheeler's comments on my posts you will see polite comments which gently nudge me towards better photographs.

    Lynnma (steve, harry, andy, etc) have also steered me towards taking better pictures in a polite and mannerly way.

    The whipping post is designed for blunt analysis of photographs. In the other forums a more gentle approach is the dgrin way.

    Shay.
  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    Seamus wrote:

    The whipping post is designed for blunt analysis of photographs. In the other forums a more gentle approach is the dgrin way.

    Shay.

    Rude is not welcome anywhere, even the Whipping Post...
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  • thdizzythdizzy Registered Users Posts: 262 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    Seamus wrote:
    But a sarcastic comment "But my wifes Casio 'point and shoot' would come through just as well; if not better." is rude. Plain and simple, rude.
    Shay - I totally agree, I would never want to see this forum go the way of DPReview. To add...My so called rudeness was delievered more out of disbelief than in a mean way. Again, I didn't mean to come accross wrong.
    Todd Disraeli - Star, Idaho

    Disraeli Photography

    "Only when the last tree has died, the last river poisoned, and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money" Cree Indian Proverb
  • Steve CaviglianoSteve Cavigliano Super Moderators Posts: 3,599 moderator
    edited October 13, 2005
    thdizzy wrote:
    Hey Mike - KC asked for critique after eluding to the fact that he was impressed with how good the images were right out of the camera. My reply might have been a little harsh but the post just really suprised me after reviewing the images.

    To add, as an accomplished photographer, would you not agree that a 'point and shoot' could deleiver images just as well as those if not better; right out of the camera?

    Lynnma - You've seen me posting here for a while now and you know it's not my demeanor to be sharp or harsh. However, I believe that sharp comments will always be respected over sugar-coated back patting; except by those with thin skin.

    This is a great social forum which sometimes seems a little too friendly and please don't take that wrong way. I have just seen more than a few poor images posted where several people will leave "wonderful" comments when the replies should really offer some serious critique.

    Last but not least...There is nothing I love more than posting an image and having someone set me straight, all it does is make me better at what I do. When I post with NPN I always scroll past the "wonderful" comments and can't wait to read the solid crtique; the harsher the better.

    IMHO
    Dizzy,
    You've got some valid points. But I don't understand how you would think that commenting that your wife's Casio P&S could get just as good of results is a critique? That just came off as mean spirited to me. The points in your second post about the blowouts was valid criticism, IMO.

    Yeah, you are correct we do too much sugar-coating. I'd rather think of it as polite reinforcement. Many of the posters here are looking to learn and improve. You can try to guide them and give them realistic expectations, or you can beat the snot outta them. Some folks respond to rudeness. IMHO, most respond better when they believe you are not only sincerely interested in trying to help them, but when you keep the flames of their passion kindled.

    Your comment that "as an accomplished photographer, would you not agree that a 'point and shoot' could deleiver images just as well as those if not better; right out of the camera?" is likely true for almost any pic, from any camera, posted at these small sizes. So I guess I miss the point you were trying to make.

    IMO, constructive comments will be always respected more than sharp or rude comments. Or comments that denigrate a certain camera brand or model. I've only been here for a year, or so, but I have seen remarkable progress made by many posters. They seem to have made this progress without the sharp and/or rude comments you profess are necessary.


    We've all got opinions. Mine isn't any better than yours. My only concern is that we should attempt to express our opinions in a manner that isn't personal or hurtful. :D

    KC,
    The pics are very nice and as Greaps points out there was some harsh lighting involved. Some of the highlights are blown out or on the verge of blowing out. But as dark as the sky came out, as it was, I don't really know if you could have exposed the entire scene much better ne_nau.gif

    Steve
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  • Mike LaneMike Lane Registered Users Posts: 7,106 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    thdizzy wrote:
    Hey Mike - KC asked for critique after eluding to the fact that he was impressed with how good the images were right out of the camera. My reply might have been a little harsh but the post just really suprised me after reviewing the images.
    One attracts more flys with honey than vinegar.
    thdizzy wrote:
    To add, as an accomplished photographer, would you not agree that a 'point and shoot' could deleiver images just as well as those if not better; right out of the camera?
    Me? An accomplished photographer? Yeah right. It is beside the point. We want dgrin to be a different kind of place. I'm not asking you to like his shots, I'm not asking you not to critique people's shots honestly, I'm asking for you not to be a jerk. And if you just can't find a non-constructive way to say something, then just hold your tongue (so to speak) and let someone else handle it.
    thdizzy wrote:
    Lynnma - You've seen me posting here for a while now and you know it's not my demeanor to be sharp or harsh. However, I believe that sharp comments will always be respected over sugar-coated back patting; except by those with thin skin.

    This is a great social forum which sometimes seems a little too friendly and please don't take that wrong way. I have just seen more than a few poor images posted where several people will leave "wonderful" comments when the replies should really offer some serious critique.
    Okay, fair enough. Don't take this the wrong way but "But my wifes Casio 'point and shoot' would come through just as well; if not better" does not come off as a "serious critique." Again, nobody is asking for your approval on every shot out there, we're asking for your civility.
    thdizzy wrote:
    Last but not least...There is nothing I love more than posting an image and having someone set me straight, all it does is make me better at what I do. When I post with NPN I always scroll past the "wonderful" comments and can't wait to read the solid crtique; the harsher the better.IMHO
    IMHO, that gets people nowhere but upset in general. There have been huge fights in here and elsewhere over comments much more benign.

    You are right, this is a friendly forum. I personally haven't seen anyone that I am confident is a good photographer post anything but spot on and nearly always civil critiques. I think we should keep it that way.
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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    thdizzy wrote:
    Shay - I totally agree, I would never want to see this forum go the way of DPReview. To add...My so called rudeness was delievered more out of disbelief than in a mean way. Again, I didn't mean to come accross wrong.

    ah it's all good thd :D just remember, the s*** sandwich principle :D

    something good/constructive
    the bad stuff
    something good/constructive

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  • thdizzythdizzy Registered Users Posts: 262 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    Mike Lane wrote:
    One attracts more flys with honey than vinegar.
    In a joking manner...It seems my vinegar attracted a lot of flies. These forums truly are a lot of fun.
    Todd Disraeli - Star, Idaho

    Disraeli Photography

    "Only when the last tree has died, the last river poisoned, and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money" Cree Indian Proverb
  • Mike LaneMike Lane Registered Users Posts: 7,106 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2005
    thdizzy wrote:
    In a joking manner...It seems my vinegar attracted a lot of flies. These forums truly are a lot of fun.
    now see that's funny! lol3.gif
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  • 3rdPlanetPhotography3rdPlanetPhotography Banned Posts: 920 Major grins
    edited October 14, 2005
    Oh me.... I get busy for two days and when I come back my face looks like :uhoh


    Thanks pathfinder for moving this post.


    My only point for this thread was that I'm "not" a great photographer but I was pretty happy with the way the photos looked without all post-therapy on the files.
    When I do get some time I'll do a little post-therapy on them and see if I can cheer up thdizzy. I guess I can't call myself an "accomplished photographer". I only have about 20 years in photography. Maybe because I'm a software developer (geek) by trade that I don't get the photography time I desire.

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  • 3rdPlanetPhotography3rdPlanetPhotography Banned Posts: 920 Major grins
    edited October 14, 2005
    Ginger, I'm shooting JPG. I haven't gotten the art of RAW down yet ne_nau.gif
    ginger_55 wrote:
    Nice shots, KC!

    Did you shoot RAW or jpg?

    ginger
  • 3rdPlanetPhotography3rdPlanetPhotography Banned Posts: 920 Major grins
    edited October 14, 2005
    Ok I've had a little time to at least edit one photo. Here's my attempt.

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    Does the blurry look add to it or take away?

    Thanks
    kc7dji
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  • Mike LaneMike Lane Registered Users Posts: 7,106 Major grins
    edited October 14, 2005
    kc7dji wrote:
    Ok I've had a little time to at least edit one photo. Here's my attempt.

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    Does the blurry look add to it or take away?

    Thanks
    kc7dji
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    Takes away.
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  • erich6erich6 Registered Users Posts: 1,638 Major grins
    edited October 15, 2005
    KC,

    Some people just don't like the blurry/soft-focus effect. I, for one, like the effect in some pictures. Unfortunately in this case I don't think it works. It seems uneven and a distracting. Maybe if you lower the effect it will be ok but I think the treatment on this composition wouldn't work. I don't think it really adds to the image.

    If you do try a variation, check out this tutorial on soft-focus: http://luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/gaussian.shtml

    Erich
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