Pic is straight in PS, but tilted everywhere else!?

kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
edited August 25, 2011 in Finishing School
I'm stumped. I have a jpg that has the horizon perfectly straight when viewed in PS or Bridge, but is very tilted when viewed everywhere else. The picture was processed from RAW if that makes any difference. I've tried copying the image to a different folder and editing/viewing it, but it does the same thing. I can't fix the tilt because it's correct in PS! What the heck would cause this? Any guesses? :huh

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  • RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,962 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    That's weird. Post the jpg and a screen shot of how it looks in PS. headscratch.gif
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  • eoren1eoren1 Registered Users Posts: 2,391 Major grins
    edited August 23, 2011
    Is the exported JPG straight or crooked in PS?
    Wonder if you have the RAW with xmp file correcting the horizon but, for some reason, that didn't get written to the JPG...
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  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    Richard, here you go.

    What I see in a browser and also when I open with the Windows image viewer on my machine.
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    In both PS and Bridge it looks fine!
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  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    eoren1 wrote: »
    Is the exported JPG straight or crooked in PS?
    Wonder if you have the RAW with xmp file correcting the horizon but, for some reason, that didn't get written to the JPG...
    Looks straight in Bridge and PS. I had the same suspicions even though technically it doesn't make sense. That's why I copied the file to a different folder, and opened it there. That way I can be assured there are no sidecar files there as well. Still looks straight in PS! eek7.gif
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  • RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,962 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    Ok, so this started as a raw file. Did you do the straightening in ACR or PS? What created the JPG? I think Eyal might be on the right track about the straightening data being in the metadata but not the pixels. You could test that by opening it in ACR and in the develop settings choose ACR default. If the pic suddenly becomes tilted, you know the pixels have not been changed. Close it without saving changes (Cancel). Then open it again in ACR...assuming it's straight, open it in PS then save it under a different name as a JPG. That should fix it.
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  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    Richard wrote: »
    Ok, so this started as a raw file. Did you do the straightening in ACR or PS? What created the JPG? I think Eyal might be on the right track about the straightening data being in the metadata but not the pixels. You could test that by opening it in ACR and in the develop settings choose ACR default. If the pic suddenly becomes tilted, you know the pixels have not been changed. Close it without saving changes (Cancel). Then open it again in ACR...assuming it's straight, open it in PS then save it under a different name as a JPG. That should fix it.
    Straightened in ACR along with other adjustments, then processed and exported as a JPG in PS.

    I opened the JPG using Develop Settings as Camera Raw Default, and the image appeared straight. Which metadata were you thinking, Richard? the XMP sidecar data, or the EXIF info? Remember, I'd already copied the JPG to a different folder, so the sidecar would not have been available. Plus, the sidecar shouldn't be used with a JPG anyway, should it?

    As an update, I copied the JPG to a different computer (my laptop), and it still appears crooked in Windows image viewer but straight in Bridge/PS! This is nuts! eek7.gif
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  • RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,962 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    I'm not absolutely sure of this, but I think Adobe squirrels away raw conversion metadata in its own section of the EXIF data in a JPG. But if you saved the JPG from PS, seems to me the pixels should be straight. Hmmm...headscratch.gifheadscratch.gif
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  • Dan7312Dan7312 Registered Users Posts: 1,330 Major grins
    edited August 23, 2011
    The image you show in Photoshop is cropped a bit from what you show in the browser. So it looks like the browser image didn't include the tilt/crop settings that were in PS.
    kdog wrote: »
    Looks straight in Bridge and PS. I had the same suspicions even though technically it doesn't make sense. That's why I copied the file to a different folder, and opened it there. That way I can be assured there are no sidecar files there as well. Still looks straight in PS! eek7.gif
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  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    Richard wrote: »
    I'm not absolutely sure of this, but I think Adobe squirrels away raw conversion metadata in its own section of the EXIF data in a JPG. But if you saved the JPG from PS, seems to me the pixels should be straight. Hmmm...headscratch.gifheadscratch.gif
    You're on to something, Richard. I used Opanda to strip the exif off the file, and voila. The image is tilted in PS/Bridge. So something is wonky with the way I'm saving files. I just used Save As..., and selected JPG just as I've always done. headscratch.gif
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  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    Dan7312 wrote: »
    The image you show in Photoshop is cropped a bit from what you show in the browser. So it looks like the browser image didn't include the tilt/crop settings that were in PS.
    Right, PS should have written a straightened JPG. Evidently it's not for some reason.
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  • SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited August 23, 2011
    kdog wrote: »
    Right, PS should have written a straightened JPG. Evidently it's not for some reason.

    Send me the RAW file.

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  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    Thanks, Sam. I think I'm ok. See below.

    Ok, so I tried one more time opening the JPG in PS and saving it. This time it saved straightened. So my problem is fixed, but I'll forever be confused as to how this happened. :cry
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  • MarkRMarkR Registered Users Posts: 2,099 Major grins
    edited August 23, 2011
    Believe it or not, I've seen wonkiness similar to this with failing hard drives. Not saying that's what's happening here, but you might want to do a scan just in case.
  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 23, 2011
    Ugh, funny you should say that, Mark. These pics are on an external 2TB eSata drive. I own two of them and keep them sync'd for backup. I've had all manners of flakiness going on especially during synching which I traced down to one of the drives that is definitely flaky and so I'm not using it now. (Guess I'll have to figure out the warranty process.) I'll kick off a scan on this drive and see what's up.
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  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 24, 2011
    Just to follow up, the disk tested fine. ne_nau.gif
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  • MarkRMarkR Registered Users Posts: 2,099 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2011
    kdog wrote: »
    Just to follow up, the disk tested fine. ne_nau.gif

    Well, that's good news at least!
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