In Concert

Manfr3dManfr3d Registered Users Posts: 2,008 Major grins
edited September 13, 2011 in People
I really love shooting concerts, the music, the energy and the tunnel vision
through the viewfinder trying to capture that peak moment when everything
comes together in a single picture. It's a shame really that nobody is willing
to pay for a good shot these days. Regardless here are some of my shots
for critique or enjoyment. :) Thanks for looking!


btw.. why is there no dedicated event forum? We should get one :thumb

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“To consult the rules of composition before making a picture is a little like consulting the law of gravitation before going for a walk.”
― Edward Weston

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  • AgnieszkaAgnieszka Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,263 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    Very, very nice photos! May I ask you one thing? Did you shoot these for somebody (company) or just for fun? How did you get that close? PR / VIP pass?
  • Manfr3dManfr3d Registered Users Posts: 2,008 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    Agnieszka wrote: »
    Very, very nice photos! May I ask you one thing? Did you shoot these for somebody (company) or just for fun? How did you get that close? PR / VIP pass?

    Thank you!

    I shot these for fun only at a public, entrance free, open air concert where the city was the event
    manager (= no pass needed). The last frame is from a concert in a small bar/club where I was
    photographing for a local university news site. The editor contacted the event manager so they
    would wave me through as a "press" person on the entrance (plus I got flashy card thingy from the news site).

    These closed events are usually so small and uninteresting for the big media there is no problem
    getting in. Problem is getting paid. As soon as you show the images to the bands they are all crazy
    about them and want a CD. When you ask for compensation you never hear back from them.

    About getting close. I am always between the crowd and the stage with one or two other guys chimping
    and waving their L glass, no problem getting there since there are rarely any barriers. It's alot of fun
    really. But never forget the earplugs :)
    “To consult the rules of composition before making a picture is a little like consulting the law of gravitation before going for a walk.”
    ― Edward Weston
  • AgnieszkaAgnieszka Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,263 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    Yeah I see the point about not getting paid ... I'm sure they have enough people sending them stuff for free that they don't want to bother paying anybody, UGH!

    Was actually wondering about the press pass a couple weekends ago (when we went to a concert). I'm not much into the concert photography thing (one doesn't get out much anymore with a 1.5 year old and #2 on it's way), but I was wondering if anybody knows if there is a "general" pass one could get? Any idea? I guess you're from germany, so things are different .... but was just wondering if there is anything like that.

    A good friend of mine works for a concert "press" company, so she gets in everywhere, and gets to meet the coolest people (insert jealous face here, haha). But does anybody know how things work when you're "on your own"?
  • divamumdivamum Registered Users Posts: 9,021 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    Uh.... "with a 1.5 year old and #2 on it's way"

    Nothing like slipping THAT one in there sneakily, Angie - CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    /end threadnap
  • AgnieszkaAgnieszka Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,263 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    divamum wrote: »
    Uh.... "with a 1.5 year old and #2 on it's way"

    Nothing like slipping THAT one in there sneakily, Angie - CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    /end threadnap

    rolleyes1.gif Thanks Miss Diva! iloveyou.gif We're very excited.
  • Manfr3dManfr3d Registered Users Posts: 2,008 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    Agnieszka wrote: »
    But does anybody know how things work when you're "on your own"?

    Hmm ... good question. My guess is that you need to contact the event manager (em) in any case,
    because he/she is the one who will put you on the list (and issue a press pass if needed). The guys
    from the news agencies are most of the time well known to the em and only need to carry their
    companys press ids to be allowed in. But a press pass alone is not worth anything if the em doesn't
    recognize it. Your friend should be able to tell you how it works. Needless to say that you are an
    amazing photographer, they (your friend) should be able to have you go shoot a concert for them once in a while mwink.gif
    “To consult the rules of composition before making a picture is a little like consulting the law of gravitation before going for a walk.”
    ― Edward Weston
  • AgnieszkaAgnieszka Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,263 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    Manfr3d wrote: »
    Hmm ... good question. My guess is that you need to contact the event manager (em) in any case,
    because he/she is the one who will put you on the list (and issue a press pass if needed). The guys
    from the news agencies are most of the time well known to the em and only need to carry their
    companys press ids to be allowed in. But a press pass alone is not worth anything if the em doesn't
    recognize it. Your friend should be able to tell you how it works. Needless to say that you are an
    amazing photographer, they should be able to have you go shoot a concert for them once in a while mwink.gif

    You're right, contacting the venue is probably the smartest. I got in touch with one band a couple of years ago (we were planning to see our favorite band, and I figured I'd try). They were not the least bit interested (haha). Oh well, was worth the quick email ... but had my heart broken after that rolleyes1.gif

    I'll try again next time we're going to see anybody fun .... you never know :D

    Keep up the great work, I really like your composition and the eye for the perfect moment! clap.gif
  • Manfr3dManfr3d Registered Users Posts: 2,008 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    Agnieszka wrote: »
    You're right, contacting the venue is probably the smartest. I got in touch with one band a couple of years ago (we were planning to see our favorite band, and I figured I'd try). They were not the least bit interested (haha). Oh well, was worth the quick email ... but had my heart broken after that rolleyes1.gif

    I'll try again next time we're going to see anybody fun .... you never know :D

    Keep up the great work, I really like your composition and the eye for the perfect moment! clap.gif

    That made me smile :D Good luck thumb.gif Concert photography is much easier than what you do. Little or no communication skills needed - its too loud anyhow. Now let me go checkout your blog further....
    “To consult the rules of composition before making a picture is a little like consulting the law of gravitation before going for a walk.”
    ― Edward Weston
  • AgnieszkaAgnieszka Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,263 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    Manfr3d wrote: »
    Concert photography is much easier than what you do. Little or no communication skills needed - its too loud anyhow.

    rolleyes1.gif I guess there is no posing to be done, right? thumb.gif BUT you do have to get the "right moment" and know your settings .... all good concert photographers have my respect! thumb.gif
  • geoles2geoles2 Registered Users Posts: 27 Big grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    I shoot concerts, and there is no general pass that you can get. I am on my own and I search out on google and contact the artist pr firms or managers, or both. Some venues will give you access like the larger ones sometimes controlled by Live Nation etc.

    Concert photography is fun, but you only get the first 3 songs no flash and then you are escorted out.

    In the past month I have shot Night Ranger, Loverboy, 33 Miles, Taylor Swift and Rodney Atkins to name a few, and always looking for more. But for example some bands will require that you sign a rights grab release that allows you to only use the photos for the publication you are shooting for, you cannot use them for your portfolio, facebook or anything. Some will have different shoot rules, like Taylor Swift was only songs 2 & 3.
  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited September 11, 2011
    some where with in this forum is a thread dedicated to concert photography.....it started out with a bang and then kinda petered out.......and burst from the ashes only to peter out...happened several times over the course of a couple or 3 years......I am thinking it was an east coast based photog...Boston or DC ... but I cannot remember his name.......or the threads name for that matter.


    EDIT: Ahhh a little digging and here it is: http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=31120&highlight=Concerts The One Stop Live Music Thread...started my Le Dude..from DC..........
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  • FoquesFoques Registered Users Posts: 1,951 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2011
    Agnieszka wrote: »

    A good friend of mine works for a concert "press" company, so she gets in everywhere, and gets to meet the coolest people (insert jealous face here, haha). But does anybody know how things work when you're "on your own"?

    i've been doing a lot of work for the local bands, bars and performers (acrobats, mimes etc)

    It all starts with a communication to a manager or band directly.
    Free is what i end up being 9 times out of 10.. like it or not, and it sucks. I did cover a very large band (internationally), and was told that "while they loved my images, it must have been payment enough that I got to shoot them"..headscratch.gif

    but to answer your question, you do need to reach out to bands, talk to them, and see if they want you to shoot for them. Most of the time, they do. I can't remember when I paid for cover / drinks at the venues.

    I found that I like working "on my own" because nobody is pushing their image preference down my throat. Bands usually point out a shot or two that they would like to be taken, and then it is your free flight.

    Just make sure that they sign the release forms.. or you can get sued like I did.. :) granted, clown got nothing except for upset self esteem, and destroyed relationship with many bands, but still.. the aggravation of things sometimes makes it almost not worth it.
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  • Manfr3dManfr3d Registered Users Posts: 2,008 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2011
    Foques wrote: »
    I found that I like working "on my own" because nobody is pushing their image preference down my throat. Bands usually point out a shot or two that they would like to be taken, and then it is your free flight.

    Just make sure that they sign the release forms.. or you can get sued like I did.. :) granted, clown got nothing except for upset self esteem, and destroyed relationship with many bands, but still.. the aggravation of things sometimes makes it almost not worth it.

    The way I see it there lies some great freedom in cherry picking your own events and shooting for your
    own enjoyment trying to get the pictures that you want and not somebody else. In my experience the
    biggest mistake is to try to market the images to anybody else except the band if you don't have a
    signed release. Otherwise you are practically begging to be sued. It is also much easier to get a release
    if you don't plan to sell them to anybody else.
    “To consult the rules of composition before making a picture is a little like consulting the law of gravitation before going for a walk.”
    ― Edward Weston
  • FoquesFoques Registered Users Posts: 1,951 Major grins
    edited September 12, 2011
    ^^ very true, on all points.
    Arseny - the too honest guy.
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  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited September 13, 2011
    Manfr3d wrote: »
    The way I see it there lies some great freedom in cherry picking your own events and shooting for your
    own enjoyment trying to get the pictures that you want and not somebody else. In my experience the
    biggest mistake is to try to market the images to anybody else except the band if you don't have a
    signed release. Otherwise you are practically begging to be sued.
    It is also much easier to get a release
    if you don't plan to sell them to anybody else.

    Not if you're selling as works of ART....if you are selling to a publication without a release then yes...but as works of art no........
    "Genuine Fractals was, is and will always be the best solution for enlarging digital photos." ....Vincent Versace ... ... COPYRIGHT YOUR WORK ONLINE ... ... My Website

  • Manfr3dManfr3d Registered Users Posts: 2,008 Major grins
    edited September 13, 2011
    Art Scott wrote: »
    Not if you're selling as works of ART....if you are selling to a publication without a release then yes...but as works of art no........

    You are giving me ideas ... Art :)
    “To consult the rules of composition before making a picture is a little like consulting the law of gravitation before going for a walk.”
    ― Edward Weston
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