Need help!!

SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
edited October 22, 2011 in Sports
I have rented a Canon 400 mm 2.8L lens (no IS) for this weekend at Laguna Seaca. I just gave it a test run and if I mount it on my mono pod it wobbles around like a drunk.

This thing a monster!! Weighs in at about 12 lbs. to 15 lbs. One of the reasons I wanted a 300 but alas this was not to be. :cry

The only way I can seem to stabilize this set up is to mount it to a ball head on my tripod and loosen up the ball head. This will allow free movement within the range of the ball head movement, but does limit my ability to quickly shoot something not in this range.

What do you all do to shoot with a lens like this?

Thanks for any suggestions or techniques you can pass along.

Sam

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  • aktseaktse Registered Users Posts: 1,928 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2011
    i can hand hold, but I'm used to the weight. When I don't want to hand hold, i throw it on my CF monopod with my RSS head. I went with my RSS head since the others ones I looked could not support the weight and the RSS one has a load capacity of 75 lb.

    Contact me to borrow, but my schedule is _really_ limited and it might be hard to find me.
  • jheftijhefti Registered Users Posts: 734 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2011
    The monopod method works well for me: I can move the lens quickly side-to-side, and by tilting forward or back I can move it up and down. It's almost as much freedom of movement as being hand-held, but much easier on the arms and back for long sessions. I also spent several hours shooting birds in flight, just to get the hang of it; seagulls and pidgeons, mostly, so no real keepers! But it was very good practice and helped to develop the ability to turn quickly and nail the target without a lot of panning. I've never had any luck with a tripod, unless the subject is confined to a very small area.

    Like anything, it just takes a little practice to get used to it.
  • JimKarczewskiJimKarczewski Registered Users Posts: 969 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2011
    Any chance you can rent a gimbal head by the time you need to use it? That might be an option..

    When I had a 400 from Canon on loan, it was a beast. I just ended up hand holding.. because I used it so little (team I intended on using it for didn't make it all the way in the playoffs as I expected. :( ) It wasn't bad.

    Also, using it low? Beanbag?
  • nipprdognipprdog Registered Users Posts: 660 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2011
    Sam wrote: »
    I just gave it a test run and if I mount it on my mono pod it wobbles around like a drunk.

    What monopod? Is it strong enough? When I got my 300 2.8, the first thing I realized is that I needed a stronger monopod. mwink.gif Don't even think about taking a tripod to a sporting event.
    jhefti wrote: »
    The monopod method works well for me: I can move the lens quickly side-to-side, and by tilting forward or back I can move it up and down. It's almost as much freedom of movement as being hand-held, but much easier on the arms and back for long sessions. I also spent several hours shooting birds in flight, just to get the hang of it; seagulls and pidgeons, mostly, so no real keepers! But it was very good practice and helped to develop the ability to turn quickly and nail the target without a lot of panning. I've never had any luck with a tripod, unless the subject is confined to a very small area.

    Like anything, it just takes a little practice to get used to it.

    He's right, Sam. It's all about technique. Look at the shooters at any pro sports game. They're shooting 400,500, and even some 600m lenses all on monopods.

    There are two methods. Some prefer to put your left hand directly above the monopod mount. The other(which I prefer), is to place your left hand on the lens hood.
  • SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited October 13, 2011
    Thanks guys. I am off to bed and will throw the mono pod in the truck. Yes it is a little light for the job, but it and my tripod are all I have for this.

    If April can hand hold a 400 2.8L I ain't gona mess wither no more!

    This thing is huge and HEAVY! It's an older lens and does not have IS.

    It is wicked sharp wide open.

    Sam
  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited October 14, 2011
    Sam, I have a Wimberley II full gimbal head that you're welcome to.
  • MJRPHOTOMJRPHOTO Registered Users Posts: 432 Major grins
    edited October 14, 2011
    Sam,
    Take Kdog up on his offer and use your tripod.
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  • JSPhotographyJSPhotography Registered Users Posts: 552 Major grins
    edited October 18, 2011
    Well, I see your posting pics, tri, mono, or hand held?
  • SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited October 19, 2011
    Well, I see your posting pics, tri, mono, or hand held?

    I used a tripod for the 400mm and the rest were hand held. All the other photographers with big lenses were using mono pods. I did watch their technique and will try that at some future event.

    Sam
  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited October 19, 2011
    You can turn a tripod into a monopod by just keeping the legs together and extending one more than the other two. deal.gif
  • nw scoutnw scout Registered Users Posts: 256 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2011
    I like the 400 f4.
    Great lens and I feel the auto focus works better than the 2.8.
    Plus its WAY lighter and is easier to shoot with all day.

    A mono pod is fine at some sporting events but IMO suck for motor sports and I NEVER use them.

    Hope it worked out for you , but next time go with the F4, you will be VERY happy you did!!!
  • SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2011
    kdog wrote: »
    You can turn a tripod into a monopod by just keeping the legs together and extending one more than the other two. deal.gif

    Hey! I spent good money for three legs and I'm gona use them all. :D

    The idea of a mono is in the weight savings and maybe some additional flexibility. Once I trotted the tripod out there why not use it?

    Sam
  • SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2011
    nw scout wrote: »
    I like the 400 f4.
    Great lens and I feel the auto focus works better than the 2.8.
    Plus its WAY lighter and is easier to shoot with all day.

    A mono pod is fine at some sporting events but IMO suck for motor sports and I NEVER use them.

    Hope it worked out for you , but next time go with the F4, you will be VERY happy you did!!!

    I am going to try a 300 mm 4.0, and maybe a 400 mm 4.0 sometime. These are much lighter and affordable.

    Sam
  • ZerodogZerodog Registered Users Posts: 1,480 Major grins
    edited October 20, 2011
    Last winter when I shot dance comps for 12 hrs straight I used my tripod with the ball head loose. This way I was able to track the action anywhere it went and take the weight off completely.
  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited October 22, 2011
    Sam wrote: »
    Hey! I spent good money for three legs and I'm gona use them all. :D

    The idea of a mono is in the weight savings and maybe some additional flexibility. Once I trotted the tripod out there why not use it?

    Sam
    You should! I was just thinking if space was an issue. Earlier in this thread someone said something like "don't even think of using a tripod at a track", so it sounded like that was an issue. I used my tripod as a monopod for that reason while shooting video at a gymnastics event. For those huge lenses, you cannot beat having a full gimbal head on a sturdy tripod. I'll have to show you my set-up some time. mwink.gif
  • jwwjww Registered Users Posts: 449 Major grins
    edited October 22, 2011
    FWIW..

    As far as tripods, it depends on the track and the series. Some series at some tracks will state no tripods in the photo meeting. Usually at larger road courses there is no issue since there is so much room around the track. Interestingly enough the ALMS event I helped cover at Road America made that stipulation, though it was quickly waived off by the track photographer, but not in pit lane since there is so little space even for the teams.
  • SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited October 22, 2011
    I am at Thunderhill Race Track right now and practicing with a monopod, hand holding, and panning. Downloading images as I type this.

    Oops.....10 minutes to get out to the turn for the next race.

    Sam
  • jwwjww Registered Users Posts: 449 Major grins
    edited October 22, 2011
    Cool to here! Love to see other motorsports photogs work! thumb.gif
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