Having trouble settling on an all-around lens (Nikon)

PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
edited December 1, 2011 in Cameras
Since switching from Sony to Nikon the only difficulty I've had is settling on a standard zoom. On the Sony, the 16-85 CZ was my go-to lens. With Nikon, I tried the 18-200 and 18-105 and wasn't pleased with the IQ of either. Now I've got the 17-55 f/2.8 and, while the image quality is excellent, the range is rather limiting. F/2.8 is nice, but this lens is almost always used outdoors where 2.8 isn't really necessary (I use primes indoors).

I'm thinking of trying either the Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4 or the Nikon 16-85 next. I'd love to hear about some real-world experience with either of these lenses and suggestions of what I should do. I may just start renting lenses and see what sticks, but sometimes it's cheaper to buy (used) and resell than to rent. :dunno

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  • FearNothing321FearNothing321 Registered Users Posts: 123 Major grins
    edited November 26, 2011
    You could always use some sneaker zoom

    There is always the 24-70 f2.8

    (I have never used any of these lenses tho)
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  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited November 26, 2011
    Thanks for the suggestion, but 24 isn't nearly wide enough.
  • insanefredinsanefred Registered Users Posts: 604 Major grins
    edited November 27, 2011
    Try renting the 16-85?
  • DsrtVWDsrtVW Registered Users Posts: 1,991 Major grins
    edited November 27, 2011
    I have had the 17-70mmSigma it was decent but the Nikon 17-55mm f2.8 is so much better. If you are looking for more focal range Nikon 28-300mm f3.5-5.6 VRII is very nice I bought mine refurbished from Nikon. It is the full frame version of the 18-200mm but so much better, I was not happy with that lens either. Tokina makes a 16.5-135mm f3.5-5.6 dont know its IQ but I can vouch for the 11-16mm f2.8 and the 50-135mm f2.8 as very good.
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  • angevin1angevin1 Registered Users Posts: 3,403 Major grins
    edited November 27, 2011
    Forgive me for interjecting contrary to your lens request. One to consider is Nikon's AF-S 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 G ED. It was a Kit lens Nikon offered and unfortunately is no longer made. But is a Killer lens, esp. for the Money. We picked one up earlier this year from KEH for $150.
    tom wise
  • Matthew SavilleMatthew Saville Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,352 Major grins
    edited November 27, 2011
    Pupator wrote: »
    Since switching from Sony to Nikon the only difficulty I've had is settling on a standard zoom. On the Sony, the 16-85 CZ was my go-to lens. With Nikon, I tried the 18-200 and 18-105 and wasn't pleased with the IQ of either. Now I've got the 17-55 f/2.8 and, while the image quality is excellent, the range is rather limiting. F/2.8 is nice, but this lens is almost always used outdoors where 2.8 isn't really necessary (I use primes indoors).

    I'm thinking of trying either the Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4 or the Nikon 16-85 next. I'd love to hear about some real-world experience with either of these lenses and suggestions of what I should do. I may just start renting lenses and see what sticks, but sometimes it's cheaper to buy (used) and resell than to rent. ne_nau.gif

    Nikon's 16-85 is the original 16-85, and if you get a good copy it is flawlessly sharp. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it in an instant.

    As you can see on at least one review site, even the CZ 16-80 is out-classed by the Nikon 16-85:

    http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/973/cat/83

    http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1177/cat/13


    ...My advice? Forget about f/2.8 zooms on a crop sensor, and just stick with "all-around zooms" and then get primes for when you really need the low-light performance. There's nothing like hitting f/1.8 or f/1.4 on a crop sensor, it lets you keep your ISO 1-2 stops lower without having to sacrifice shutter speed and rely on VR...

    You can find a used 16-85 DX on KEH for about $500, and I'm sure on Ebay for slightly less even. Good luck deciding!

    =Matt=
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  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited November 27, 2011
    Thanks guys. I will look in to the Nikon 18-70 and the 16-85. As I said, I don't care about low-light because I have the 35mm f/1.4 that's my primary indoor lens. (I was using the 50mm f/1.8G also but that's just a little too long for most indoor shooting I do.)

    Fred - I may well rent it, but as I said, sometimes it's cheaper to buy used and re-sell.

    Tom - Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out!

    Matt - I think you're exactly right. On the crop sensor there's just no reason not to have a handful of primes for indoors. I've been very, very pleased with the D7000 low-light performance - but low ISO is always to be preferred. I had hoped to score a used D700 by now but, unfortunately, prices have gone up rather than down in the last several months.
  • Y_KnotY_Knot Registered Users Posts: 55 Big grins
    edited November 27, 2011
    My 16-85 is on my camera 90 % of the time unless I'm doing sports.It is a great lens. I work in the WS area often & I would be willing to let you look at it sometime.

    Steve
  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited November 27, 2011
    Steve - that's a very gracious offer, thank you. Actually, though, I'm a terribly impatient person and I ordered a used 16-85 a few minutes ago. It'll be here by Wednesday. If you're ever around here with time to go shooting let me know - I love photo meetups!
  • Art ScottArt Scott Registered Users Posts: 8,959 Major grins
    edited November 27, 2011
    wish I had found this before now....when shooting everything upto my current nikons my lenses were the Sigma 70-200 and 24-70...that combo for ME could not be beat...I did a lot of foot zooming but that was something I was not unfamiliar with.....not to long ago I bought and returned a Nikon 24-120 f3.5-5.6....the focal lenghts was pretty close to perfect for what I wanted it for, but the variable aperture was the deal killer for me...I will be getting the 24-120 f4 in the future and that will give me a perfect for me kit (24-120 / 70-200) for walk around, portraits and weddings...as well as some product photography.....

    Hope you like your 16-85.....Have a great week.
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  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited November 28, 2011
    Thanks Art. I've learned from past experience that 24 is simply not wide enough to be my standard zoom. The difference between 16/17 and 24 feels like a mile.
  • A-1 BossA-1 Boss Registered Users Posts: 120 Major grins
    edited November 28, 2011
    I have the sigma 17-70 and really love it. It is on my d7000 more than any of my other lenses. My 2 cents.
  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited November 29, 2011
    Thanks for the suggestion A-1 Boss. For the record, what are your other lenses?
  • MitchellMitchell Registered Users Posts: 3,503 Major grins
    edited November 30, 2011
    What Nikon body are you shooting?
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  • angevin1angevin1 Registered Users Posts: 3,403 Major grins
    edited November 30, 2011
    Mitchell wrote: »
    What Nikon body are you shooting?
    He's shootin a D7000 Mitchell
    tom wise
  • jthomasjthomas Registered Users Posts: 454 Major grins
    edited November 30, 2011
    Matthew Saville wrote: »
    Nikon's 16-85 is the original 16-85, and if you get a good copy it is flawlessly sharp. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it in an instant.

    As you can see on at least one review site, even the CZ 16-80 is out-classed by the Nikon 16-85:

    http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/973/cat/83

    http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1177/cat/13


    ...My advice? Forget about f/2.8 zooms on a crop sensor, and just stick with "all-around zooms" and then get primes for when you really need the low-light performance. There's nothing like hitting f/1.8 or f/1.4 on a crop sensor, it lets you keep your ISO 1-2 stops lower without having to sacrifice shutter speed and rely on VR...

    You can find a used 16-85 DX on KEH for about $500, and I'm sure on Ebay for slightly less even. Good luck deciding!

    =Matt=

    This advice is spot on. My 16-85VR was my go-to lens on my D90 and it serves the same purpose on my D7000. I like it much better than the 17-55 I owned for several months. For low-light or subject isolation I use primes.
  • Matthew SavilleMatthew Saville Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 3,352 Major grins
    edited November 30, 2011
    jthomas wrote: »
    This advice is spot on. My 16-85VR was my go-to lens on my D90 and it serves the same purpose on my D7000. I like it much better than the 17-55 I owned for several months. For low-light or subject isolation I use primes.

    Yep, I owned a 17-55 2.8 for about a year before it was stolen, and when it was I didn't replace it. Sure, it's a burly, powerful workhorse lens for crop sensor shooters. But honestly, it always just felt like a stepping stone to a D700 and 24-70. The 17-55 2.8 has a WEIRD issue with focus shift, and my copy was REALLY bad when stopping down. For example, you would think that at 17mm on a crop sensor, f/5.6 would give you great depth of field when focused to 10-20 ft away, right? Wrong. My copy of the lens basically acted like a tilt-shift lens; it completely "wobbled" the plane of focus such that my DOF would be fantastic in the center of the frame, (from 5 ft to nearly infinity, when stopping down a few stops) ...however towards the edges, things would get totally out of focus. It was so annoying, I literally stopped using that lens for group formals, and started using an old 24mm AIS that I had originally purchased for use on a film SLR!

    Anyways, my point is just that the 16-85 is a great all-around lens, while lenses like the faster f/2.8's are HIGHLY specialized, and should only be used for specific tasks, in my opinion.

    Bottom line: With the D7000 as a "casual" photographer, shooting everything from landscapes to portraits and general friends-and-family candids, ...I'd be most happy with a 16-85 and then maybe something like the 35 1.8 or 50 1.8 AFS-G....

    (I wish Nikon would hurry up and make a nice ~18mm or 24mm f/1.8 DX prime as well, but I dunno if that will ever happen unfortunately...)

    =Matt=
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  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited November 30, 2011
    The 16-85 arrived today but I haven't had a chance to mount it on the camera yet - maybe tomorrow.

    Matt - I had the 50mm f/1.8G but found 50mm just a bit too long for indoor candids on a crop sensor. I just acquired the 35mm f/1.4 but I haven't given it much of a workout yet either.

    Oh, and, for the record, my copy of the 17-55 f/2.8G doesn't have any of the weird focus issues you describe.
  • rontront Registered Users Posts: 1,473 Major grins
    edited December 1, 2011
    I have the 16-85VR on my D7000 most all of the time either. It is a very nice lens! I think you will like it Pupator.

    Included are a couple samples from my D7000 and 16-85VR.

    Ron

    DSC3213-X2.jpg

    DSC04659-2-XL.jpg

    DSC6861-X2.jpg

    DSC674567-X2.jpg
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  • PupatorPupator Registered Users Posts: 2,322 Major grins
    edited December 1, 2011
    Looks good! thumb.gif
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