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Fight Night

seastackseastack Registered Users Posts: 716 Major grins
edited December 31, 2011 in Street and Documentary
Got a free front row ticket so I went to my first cage fight (Mixed Martial Arts). It was interesting. I didn't realize how popular it's become, and profitable. Forgot how difficult it is to manually focus a DSLR in low (or any) light, cussed a lot, got blood on my shoes, caught a few at 1.4 on the 50mm.

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    lizzard_nyclizzard_nyc Registered Users Posts: 4,056 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    I'm really digging your series.

    My favorite being #2 with the girl with her sign blurred out and not important to the shot and the perfect focus on the solitary fighter and his odd stance.

    I think you did a fine job documenting this event which I know couldn't have been easy.

    #3 and the last shot are so barbaric!
    Glad you added something a little different to the forum. It would be fantastic if you could get in with the group and take shots of them "backstage" sort of speak, it would round out your series beautifully.


    Also I'm sure shooting some of the MMA fans would be pretty interesting.
    Nicely done.
    Liz A.
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    Quincy TQuincy T Registered Users Posts: 1,090 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Absolutely agree with Liz. This is definitely something new to this forum, and while I think it might belong somewhere in between PJ and sports, I think the "onlooker" nature of the shots really tells a more interesting story than a sports oriented photographer would have captured.

    Out of these four, #1 is my favorite at first glance, but I think with a tighter, more dramatic crop for #3, you could have a real hero shot there.

    Thanks for posting!
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    M38A1M38A1 Registered Users Posts: 1,317 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Whoa.... that's an incredible series. thumb.gif

    The B&W treatment was the only choice for these and really brings out the mood. I'll echo Liz's comments as well in that I find #2 the most appealing, the one that brings me back. I really like how the spotlight camera high/left comes down on the fence diagonally forcing you to see the fighter as the primary focal point, then the round-count girl.

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    toragstorags Registered Users Posts: 4,615 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Having seen pro work I usually find images of this sport uncomfortable;

    but the OP has diminished the incredible violence these images can deliver.

    I think this is good work
    Rags
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    JuanoJuano Registered Users Posts: 4,882 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    M38A1 wrote: »
    Whoa.... that's an incredible series. thumb.gif

    The B&W treatment was the only choice for these and really brings out the mood. I'll echo Liz's comments as well in that I find #2 the most appealing, the one that brings me back. I really like how the spotlight camera high/left comes down on the fence diagonally forcing you to see the fighter as the primary focal point, then the round-count girl.

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    15524779-Ti.gif #2 is just fantastic. The fighter has lost all the bravado and seems very lonely. Actually, everybody, the girl, the corner guy and the fighter, all seem trapped by life in the cage...

    Congratulations, wonderful imagebowdown.gif

    #4 is very interesting too.
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    RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,931 moderator
    edited December 27, 2011
    Beautiful use of light, seastack. clap.gifclap.gif
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    seastackseastack Registered Users Posts: 716 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Thanks. This was not my cup of tea, and I never would have gone if I hadn't been asked (and received a free ticket for my birthday), and likely still not have gone if I wasn't a photographer, but I'm glad I did.

    I felt a bit like an alien visiting the planet (and I always try to feel like that when taking pictures). For me, there were a lot of good lessons and reminders in doing this - the use of negative space, the power of the straight 50mm lens, the ease of working with one camera/one lens, what can be done/seen by sitting in one place (the right place), and perhaps most importantly a reminder of the opportunity inherent in the concept of living "a photographer's life" as best expressed in David Hurn and Bill Jay's book, On Being a Photographer.

    Lizzard_NYC, yep, I've thought about hooking up with a gym where these guys train to get into the crowd and working the behind the scenes. These guys (and there are women fighters too) train hard. I agree, it could be good. At the same time I'm a little hesitant because the whole fight essay has become something of a cliche, although that's more boxing. There are a few photographer's out there who have focused on MMA in a documentary style but not many. I know one and don't really want to step on his toes but we talked and he's cool about it. I'm thinking about it. There's a weirdness I find intriguing - some of the show and marketing of pro wrestling mixed with the intense training of a real sport. That makes for real opportunity. Plus, it's a cultural phenomenon in Canada and the U.S. now. Big, big business with MMA exceeding boxing and wrestling in pay per view sales now and popularity with the younger crowd.
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    seastackseastack Registered Users Posts: 716 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Richard wrote: »
    Beautiful use of light, seastack. clap.gifclap.gif

    Nice of them to have spots set up on the corner posts :)) These photos are truly awful in color, except maybe for the last one with the blood dripping down to the mat. I did shoot in RAW but had my camera preview set to black and white - highly recommended.
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    michswissmichswiss Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,235 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Really glad to see you back. Love the series.
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    SamoBikerSamoBiker Registered Users Posts: 41 Big grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    This is a great series. Strong images and lighting help with the overall gritty feeling that I get. I almost get a grind-house movie type vibe. Very good.
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    SyncopationSyncopation Registered Users Posts: 341 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Very impressive.

    At the risk of repeating what's already been said I think you've successfully captured the menace of the event without being too graphic, which is no mean feat in such a brutal sport.

    It's also great to to see a well connected series of shots. Well done.
    Syncopation

    The virtue of the camera is not the power it has to transform the photographer into an artist, but the impulse it gives him to keep on looking. - Brook Atkinson- 1951
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    rainbowrainbow Registered Users Posts: 2,765 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Excellent series of a novel subject (in this forum). Well seen and taken!
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    JoopJoop Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Beautiful light, black / white good choices.

    Gr Joop (JPC)
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    bfjrbfjr Registered Users Posts: 10,980 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    Yes nice series thumb.gif

    I do think last one in color.
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    LittleLewLittleLew Registered Users Posts: 368 Major grins
    edited December 27, 2011
    #2 is just wonderful, I think.
    New pictures at LewLortonphoto.com
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    IslandcrowIslandcrow Registered Users Posts: 106 Major grins
    edited December 29, 2011
    OK, I guess I'm looking at this from more of a sports photography point of view, but I'm going to have to offer some honest criticism instead of praise here.

    #1 is a great shot of a chain linked fence. . .you completely missed the focus, plus that particular shot of the fighters doesn't look like it would be a very dynamic image anyway.

    #2 I didn't like at first glance, but it quickly grew on me. I might have framed it a little differently (for instance the guy in the left part of the frame doesn't add anything), but it's something a little different, so overall well done.

    #3 I would have cropped in tighter, but otherwise a very good shot.

    #4 I think I see what you were going for, but the shot itself doesn't do much for me. There's just no emotion there.

    #5 Your focus is on the fence instead of the people again, but fortunately the fighters are close to the fence and it's otherwise a pretty strong photo, so the technical mistakes aren't nearly as distracting.
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    seastackseastack Registered Users Posts: 716 Major grins
    edited December 29, 2011
    Thank you for your thoughts. I actually expected a little more criticism along these lines.

    I would say that these were taken in the spiriti of the Magnum tradition so they may be a little more fine artsy than a traditional sports type of coverage (think Paulo Pellegrin Olympics coverage of divers) ... at least that was the intent. The first frame was intentionally focused that way. I thought it made a good opener, was a different image than perhaps most would have made, and emphasized the "cage fight" aspect of the scene at the outset. I would agree that the last frame is the weakest. I wouldn't have included it unless it made a good closer, and the blood dripping down the guy's back was, uhm, an added interest.
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    toragstorags Registered Users Posts: 4,615 Major grins
    edited December 29, 2011
    Documentary vs artsy
    Rags
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    lizzard_nyclizzard_nyc Registered Users Posts: 4,056 Major grins
    edited December 29, 2011
    torags wrote: »
    Documentary vs artsy


    documentary/artsy vs. sports photography

    The very reason it likely wasn't put into the sports forum.


    islandcrow--you gave good input and C&C--however I think it was more dedicated to getting a good sports photo.

    #1 I wouldn't touch--yes the main action is out of focus, but I like how you see it from the eye of the viewer. This is how the viewer sees the action mostly. I like the two heads (not the fighters heads but the viewers heads) are in the shot, the main fight in the middle, all the chain link and the blurred fight--I really like that shot as is.
    Liz A.
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    M38A1M38A1 Registered Users Posts: 1,317 Major grins
    edited December 29, 2011
    #1's fence being the focal point puts a clear barrier between you (the viewer) and the fighters almost as if there were a pane of glass. I liken it to the eye focuses on the fencing, then your mind takes over to recognize the background and that separation is a good thing - civilized vs what most would think is barbaric. Still a great shot.

    Just my opinion....

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    seastackseastack Registered Users Posts: 716 Major grins
    edited December 31, 2011
    M38A1 wrote: »
    #1's fence being the focal point puts a clear barrier between you (the viewer) and the fighters almost as if there were a pane of glass. I liken it to the eye focuses on the fencing, then your mind takes over to recognize the background and that separation is a good thing - civilized vs what most would think is barbaric. Still a great shot.

    Nicely said. And following that thread, I guess you could say it's the curtain at a spectacle, literally the fourth wall exposed.
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