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AngeloAngelo Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
edited February 15, 2012 in Street and Documentary
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  • richardmanrichardman Registered Users Posts: 376 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2012
    Untitled and "unshown?" Sorry, your image isn't showing up for me.
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  • RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,952 moderator
    edited February 10, 2012
    There was a slight problem in the link, which I fixed. You should be able to see it now. thumb.gif
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  • AngeloAngelo Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
    edited February 10, 2012
    Richard wrote: »
    There was a slight problem in the link, which I fixed. You should be able to see it now. thumb.gif

    thanks Richard. things don't seem to work as smoothly on an iPad
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  • bfjrbfjr Registered Users Posts: 10,980 Major grins
    edited February 12, 2012
    Makes me hungry :food

    Deeper blacks would help, I think.
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  • richardmanrichardman Registered Users Posts: 376 Major grins
    edited February 12, 2012
    bfjr wrote: »
    Makes me hungry :food

    Deeper blacks would help, I think.

    I don't think it's the general "not dark enough," but the large swath of bright region of the counter. I'd slap a darkness gradient on it.
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  • rainbowrainbow Registered Users Posts: 2,765 Major grins
    edited February 12, 2012
    Almost got it... But the blur along the center with the DOF blur of the creams and sugar and the motion blur of the cook don't work as the eye is only comfortable with the middle cook with the hat.
  • AngeloAngelo Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
    edited February 13, 2012
    bfjr wrote: »
    Makes me hungry :food

    Deeper blacks would help, I think.

    you might recognize that location: "The Pantry"


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  • AngeloAngelo Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
    edited February 13, 2012
    richardman wrote: »
    I don't think it's the general "not dark enough," but the large swath of bright region of the counter. I'd slap a darkness gradient on it.

    I'd enjoy a discussion of this point to better understand your suggestion

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  • AngeloAngelo Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
    edited February 13, 2012
    rainbow wrote: »
    ...the eye is only comfortable with the middle cook with the hat.


    commonly called a "focal point", no?

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  • seastackseastack Registered Users Posts: 716 Major grins
    edited February 13, 2012
    I always love these kind of photos.

    I think the point about the counter was a good one. I think by burning the foreground element a bit it would enhance the contrast with the middleground and background. In general, I tend to go with richer blacks in my photos but that's not always a good thing.
  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited February 13, 2012
    For me the center cook is just too small in the frame. I would try a square crop. Solves the counter issue and the small chef issue in one move, IMO. I like the shot, Angelo, I just think it's a bit distant from the subject and the right side of the frame doesn't add much.
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  • rainbowrainbow Registered Users Posts: 2,765 Major grins
    edited February 13, 2012
    Angelo wrote: »
    commonly called a "focal point", no?

    .

    In this case, it becomes the focal point only because of the motion blur of the closer cook. The actual focus point is closer to this cook, but his movement disrupts.
  • lensmolelensmole Registered Users Posts: 1,548 Major grins
    edited February 13, 2012
    A focal point and subject matter are two different things, a focal point is considered to be the brightest part of an image. Our eyes naturally gravitate to this point, not necessarily the subject. Ideally the focal point and the subject would be one and the same.

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  • AngeloAngelo Super Moderators Posts: 8,937 moderator
    edited February 14, 2012
    ok I get it and I like the idea of a sq crop (thanks David)
    I'll give it a try
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  • seastackseastack Registered Users Posts: 716 Major grins
    edited February 14, 2012
    You might also try an 8x10, crop off some of the top and right, leaving the bowl of creamer and a little space. I like it, the hand on the left is cool.
  • michswissmichswiss Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,235 Major grins
    edited February 14, 2012
    seastack wrote: »
    I always love these kind of photos.

    I think the point about the counter was a good one. I think by burning the foreground element a bit it would enhance the contrast with the middleground and background. In general, I tend to go with richer blacks in my photos but that's not always a good thing.

    I was going to suggest burning in the foreground as well. I think it would leave a more balanced feel to the composition.
  • RichardRichard Administrators, Vanilla Admin Posts: 19,952 moderator
    edited February 15, 2012
    A simple contrast boost would also help--there are no true blacks or whites.
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  • bdcolenbdcolen Registered Users Posts: 3,804 Major grins
    edited February 15, 2012
    The discussion is getting painful. rolleyes1.gif I would NOT crop as all the elements in the image add to it - particularly the open box of eggs, and stack of plates. A good deal of the problem had to do with contrast and black levels. But another part of the problem is that this image is a wonderful idea that doesn't quite work. It's an 'almost,' straining to be a 'great.' mwink.gif I wish the guy on the right was physically closer to you, and also wish that he wasn't quite as blurred as he is.

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  • DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited February 15, 2012
    It looks better with the boosted contrast, but that's too far. The blacks are too plugged up, the detail is gone from the shadows.
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  • bdcolenbdcolen Registered Users Posts: 3,804 Major grins
    edited February 15, 2012
    Yup, it is. But the other way it's just a mass of gray/white, with details in the shadows. This image isn't 'about' the details in the shadows, it's about the overall story. And the story becomes much clearer this way. However...it is too far, as you say. But the only way to fix that is to crop out what I believe to be all important details - the eggs and plates, or to crop out cook # 3 in the back ground - and that would radically change the image.
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  • Quincy TQuincy T Registered Users Posts: 1,090 Major grins
    edited February 15, 2012
    bdcolen wrote: »
    This image isn't 'about' the details in the shadows..

    Agree. One of my favorite lessons I've learned.
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