Internet Explorer Flicker

tony larcombe

Not sure how best to describe this, but when I cursor over a photo it fades to the backgournd color and then comes back, know what I mean ? Anyway, I did a search but found nothing. No sir, I just don't like it, how do I get rid of the fade please ?

Tony.

Andy

tony larcombe wrote:

Not sure how best to describe this, but when I cursor over a photo it fades to the backgournd color and then comes back, know what I mean ? Anyway, I did a search but found nothing. No sir, I just don't like it, how do I get rid of the fade please ?

Tony.

Tony, all i see on your website is that you've got a border that appears on mouse-over. I do not see any "fade-in/fade-out" that you're describing - can you please point to a specific gallery and photo where you are noticing this? Also, don't forget: log out and then look - to see exactly as your visitors will see your site.

tony larcombe

andy wrote:

Tony, all i see on your website is that you've got a border that appears on mouse-over. I do not see any "fade-in/fade-out" that you're describing - can you please point to a specific gallery and photo where you are noticing this? Also, don't forget: log out and then look - to see exactly as your visitors will see your site.

Andy, logged out, same thing. It happens with all photos, I'm looking at Lauren and Bretts wedding right now, when I mouse over any photo I lose it for half a second.

Andy

tony larcombe wrote:

Andy, logged out, same thing. It happens with all photos, I'm looking at Lauren and Bretts wedding right now, when I mouse over any photo I lose it for half a second.

What is your browser, and OS?
By any chance are you viewing in slide show mode?

Mike Lane

Hey Tony,

How are you. FYI, I'm running Windows Media Center 2005 (with the update rollup installed) and I've looked at your site in the following browsers.

Firefox 1.0.7
Opera 8.5
Mozilla 1.7
Internet Explorer 6
Flock 0.4.9

I can't repeat the image fade problem you're talking about. I tried images on your home page and images in one of your galleries (nice stuff by the way). Can you please tell us which OS you have and which browser you're using?

Oakley

Tony - I have had this problem while viewing certain smugmug sites and you're the first to confirm I might not be crazy.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it and it's really annoying.

I'm using Windows XP and IE to view.

I have no answer...only confirmation that you're not crazy...

:

tony larcombe

Hi Mike, thanks for the compliment. I'm running Internet Explorer 6. Update: the first large photo on the Halloween does not fade, thumbnails and all photos in Wedding galleries do.

Andy

tony larcombe wrote:

Hi Mike, thanks for the compliment. I'm running Internet Explorer 6. Update: the first large photo on the Halloween does not fade, thumbnails and all photos in Wedding galleries do.

Tony: that's a password-protected gallery, we cannot see. Please link us specifically which shots you are seeing this on, and which you are not.. thanks. Also, are you by anychance viewing in "slideshow" mode?

tony larcombe

andy wrote:

Tony: that's a password-protected gallery, we cannot see. Please link us specifically which shots you are seeing this on, and which you are not.. thanks. Also, are you by anychance viewing in "slideshow" mode?

No, not viewing in Slideshow mode. Even the Pricing page http://larcombe-photography.smugmug.com/gallery/863484 which is journal style is performing the same way. It's not a really bad thing, but it dosn't look good if you ask me. Every time I mouse over any photo it blanks out and then comes right back, it's gone for like half a second.

rainforest1155

tony larcombe wrote:

No, not viewing in Slideshow mode. Even the Pricing page http://larcombe-photography.smugmug.com/gallery/863484 which is journal style is performing the same way. It's not a really bad thing, but it dosn't look good if you ask me. Every time I mouse over any photo it blanks out and then comes right back, it's gone for like half a second.

No fading for me there in IE6. Did you try to logout and see if the problem still exists for you? Maybe it's just the case when you're logged in - what your customers usually aren't.

Sebastian

tony larcombe

rainforest1155 wrote:

No fading for me there in IE6. Did you try to logout and see if the problem still exists for you? Maybe it's just the case when you're logged in - what your customers usually aren't.

Sebastian

Yep, tried that :uhoh

Andy

Tony, one last thougth: since it's not showing for us in safari, firefox and some folks' IE, why not try this:

Clear out your IE cache, and restart your machine. See if the prob goes away.

Thanks

tony larcombe

Nope, didn't help none !!!

Mike Lane

Can you please post a screenshot of the before and after just so I can see what you're talking about?

tony larcombe

Mike Lane wrote:

Can you please post a screenshot of the before and after just so I can see what you're talking about?

Ok, how do I post a screenshot ? I can capture using Print Screen and copy to Paint, how do I get it on here ?

tony larcombe

Mike Lane wrote:

Can you please post a screenshot of the before and after just so I can see what you're talking about?

Ok, here we go, hope this works. Notice the large photo, or lack of it !?

tony larcombe

tony larcombe wrote:

Ok, here we go, hope this works. Notice the large photo, or lack of it !?

........and here again with the thumbs........

tony larcombe

tony larcombe wrote:

........and here again with the thumbs........

let's try that again........

Mike Lane

Now when is this happening? Are you saying that when you hover your mouse over an image or a thumb that image or thumb goes away?

tony larcombe

Yes Mike, every time.

Andy

Tony, I've asked for JT to pop in, please stand by....

Mike Lane

tony larcombe wrote:

Yes Mike, every time.

So if it happens when you mouse over an image, why are there two thumbs missing in that one screengrab?

{JT}

Ok, fade is not the right word for this - lets use blink
(fade is what the slideshow does)

The blink is related to how your cache is set up in IE and the use of right-click protect on the gallery. I have a fix in place, but it will not be live until "maybe" tomorrow (if I am lucky)

Read more about the problem here:
http://www.fivesevensix.com/studies/ie6flicker/

tony larcombe

Mike Lane wrote:

So if it happens when you mouse over an image, why are there two thumbs missing in that one screengrab?

Just quick on the ole trigger finger that time I guess Like I said it's probably a half second or less from off to on, so I moved over two thumbs and while one was coming back the other was going off.

jfriend

Something to try

tony larcombe wrote:

let's try that again........

Since it doesn't happen for me, I can only make guesses of things for you to try. Since, it's happening on a mouseOver, you should probably focus on the .imgBorderOn style rules since those are dynamically assigned when you mouseover. First thing I'd recommend trying is to remove your two .imgBorderOn style rules and see if that affects it. Then, try removing your .imgBorder rules so that all dynamic imgBorder behavior goes back to the smugmug default.

I don't know why, but you have two different .imgBorderOn rules in separate places:

.imgBorderOn { border-color: white;}
.imgBorderOn {
border: 1px solid #FFFFFF;
}

And, two .imgBorder rules:

.imgBorder { border-color: #303030;}
.imgBorder {
border: 1px solid #999999;
}

If neither of these helps, you might try a test by turning off JavaScript. If it stops flickering with JavaScript off, then we can narrow the issue down to the JavaScript className assignment that happens on mouseOver. If it's still a problem with JavaScript off, then there must be a different style causing it (perhaps an a:hover style somewhere).

EDIT: OK, never mind. I see that JT has already weighed in and a fix is coming.

tony larcombe

{JT} wrote:

Ok, fade is not the right word for this - lets use blink
(fade is what the slideshow does)

The blink is related to how your cache is set up in IE and the use of right-click protect on the gallery. I have a fix in place, but it will not be live until "maybe" tomorrow (if I am lucky)

Read more about the problem here:
http://www.fivesevensix.com/studies/ie6flicker/

Oh right, so you can call it blink, they can call it flicker, but I can't call it fade ?!.....what's up with that !?

Thanks JT, I'll check it out tomorrow, maybe.

Mike Lane

Off to Smugmug Support forum we go!

winnjewett

In Internet Explorer on the PC, when the setting "check for newer version of stored pages" is set to "every visit to the page", there is a known ie bug that causes elements with background images to flicker. This happens with every photo with copy protection in smugmug.

There is a fix for this problem here: http://dean.edwards.name/my/flicker.html

I thought JT or oneThumb might want to look into this.

-winn

Andy

winnjewett wrote:

In Internet Explorer on the PC, when the setting "check for newer version of stored pages" is set to "every visit to the page", there is a known ie bug that causes elements with background images to flicker. This happens with every photo with copy protection in smugmug.

There is a fix for this problem here: http://dean.edwards.name/my/flicker.html

I thought JT or oneThumb might want to look into this.

-winn

Hi Winn, Thanks for the post. It's not a SmugMug bug, so I moved it from that thread to this discussion here. Thanks!

winnjewett

{JT} wrote:

Ok, fade is not the right word for this - lets use blink
(fade is what the slideshow does)

The blink is related to how your cache is set up in IE and the use of right-click protect on the gallery. I have a fix in place, but it will not be live until "maybe" tomorrow (if I am lucky)

Read more about the problem here:
http://www.fivesevensix.com/studies/ie6flicker/

JT, any luck implementing this fix?

-winn

{JT}

We are not going to be implementing a server side fix for this, because we have our cache settings specially tuned. (We WANT you to cache the image for a while, especially if it is unchanged. Otherwise your bandwidth usage goes up and smugmug is accused of robbing you blind)

I implemented all of the CSS tweaks I could to try and fix this, so I am sorry if it is still broken However, I liked what Dean Edwards said in the top of the article you linked: "And this is a browser problem not a server problem."

winnjewett wrote:

JT, any luck implementing this fix?

-winn