Seeking confirmation of best way to put special characters into photo captions

beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
edited September 4, 2013 in SmugMug Support
I was trying to put a "diameter" symbol - ⌀ - into some of my photo captions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diameter_%28symbol%29#Diameter_symbol refers. I'm working with XP SP3.

Unicode: & # 8960; (without the spaces) works;
Cut 'n Paste works;
Keyboard: Alt + 8960 doesn't work,
LaTeX: \diameter doesn't work.

So the question is: Is there a better way?
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  • mrneutronmrneutron Registered Users Posts: 214 Major grins
    edited September 1, 2013
    We don't have a better way than copy and paste.
    Andy K
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  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 1, 2013
    Thanks for that, Andy thumb.gif
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  • papipoissonpapipoisson Registered Users Posts: 43 Big grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    For my concern I'd like to put some special national characters in captions or keywords, like icelandic langage for example (though in that case people are used to use "D" or "th" in place of the right ones).
    Note that I have same problems in LR for example.
    Any idea?
    Jerome
  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    papipoisson wrote: »
    For my concern I'd like to put some special national characters in captions or keywords, like icelandic langage for example (though in that case people are used to use "D" or "th" in place of the right ones).
    Note that I have same problems in LR for example.
    Any idea?
    Jerome

    FWIW, back in Legacy I used copy/paste to put Faeroese and Icelandic characters into my captions, they migrated to NewSM just fine - have a look at http://beardedgit.smugmug.com/Holidays/HM (scanned slides from the pre-digital age!)
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  • papipoissonpapipoisson Registered Users Posts: 43 Big grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    Thanks for this example. Seems to work fine. I'll try soon!
  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    papipoisson wrote: »
    Thanks for this example. Seems to work fine. I'll try soon!

    Go for it! Here's something that might help: http://gate2home.com/ - choose a language, type what you want in the box (using either a keyboard or a mouse) and then copy/paste into SM caption - it works for me, YMMV, I've not tried it on a touch-screen device.
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  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    I should perhaps point out that the gate2home utility doesn't check spellings, punctuation, grammar or context, so if users persist in typing words that don't exist such as "alot" and out-of-context words such as "abit", they'll continue to look foolish :D:D:D

    http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/alot_a_lot_allot.htm refers mwink.gif
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  • papipoissonpapipoisson Registered Users Posts: 43 Big grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    I think that will go perfectly right for what I want to do!
    Thanks a lot for the link!
  • ablichterablichter Registered Users Posts: 294 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    beardedgit wrote: »
    I was trying to put a "diameter" symbol - ⌀ - into some of my photo captions.
    Keyboard: Alt + 8960 doesn't work,
    Alt + 0216 Ø
    Alt + 0248 ø
  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    ablichter wrote: »
    Alt + 0216 Ø
    Alt + 0248 ø

    Thanks, but none of the Alt + keyboard codes work directly in a photo caption box. Or at least they don't work for me. I'll stick with using the proper symbol code (Alt + 8960) in a local document and then copy/paste the output into the captions.
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  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    Thinking about it, maybe it's my kit that's the problem. I'm using a laptop, it has the standard row of numerals above the "QWERTYUIOP" letters, but it doesn't have a bona fide numeric keypad. Does that make a difference when using Alt + codes?
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  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    beardedgit wrote: »
    Thinking about it, maybe it's my kit that's the problem. I'm using a laptop, it has the standard row of numerals above the "QWERTYUIOP" letters, but it doesn't have a bona fide numeric keypad. Does that make a difference when using Alt + codes?
    Pretty much answering my own question here... yes, it does make a difference!

    The proper way to cope without a proper numpad, according to the manual for my Lenovo, is to hit Fn + NmLk to "activate" the secondary numeral set (this maps standard keys mjkluio789 to 0123456789) and to use numerals from that set while holding down the Alt key.

    Using this method, I CAN use some Alt + codes in photo captions. The two codes supplied by ablichter (Alt + 0216 Ø and Alt + 0248 ø) do work, but Alt + 8960 still refuses to play ball. I guess it's a font issue, since Wiki says "The character often will not display correctly, however, since most fonts do not include it."

    So, it's a typical case for me... just pure luck that the one character I wanted to use happened to be the one that won't display when typed but will display when pasted-in headscratch.gif

    :bash:bash:bash:bash:bash

    I'll stick to the copying/pasting.
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  • ablichterablichter Registered Users Posts: 294 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    beardedgit wrote: »
    Thinking about it, maybe it's my kit that's the problem. I'm using a laptop, it has the standard row of numerals above the "QWERTYUIOP" letters, but it doesn't have a bona fide numeric keypad. Does that make a difference when using Alt + codes?
    YES rolleyes1.gif;)
  • ablichterablichter Registered Users Posts: 294 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    beardedgit wrote: »
    Using this method, I CAN use some Alt + codes in photo captions. The two codes supplied by ablichter (Alt + 0216 Ø and Alt + 0248 ø) do work, but Alt + 8960 still refuses to play ball. I guess it's a font issue, since Wiki says "The character often will not display correctly, however, since most fonts do not include it."
    Another "yes" ;-) ALT + 8960 does not work here as well.

    Check your PM, I built a script which copies the large sign Ø to the clipboard. If you need the small one, let me know.
  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    ablichter wrote: »
    Another "yes" ;-) ALT + 8960 does not work here as well.

    Check your PM, I built a script which copies the large sign Ø to the clipboard. If you need the small one, let me know.

    Thank you for the script, Jörg thumb.gif

    I'll have a play with it sometime during the next day or two and will report back to you.
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  • James LyallJames Lyall Registered Users Posts: 202 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    beardedgit wrote: »
    have a look at http://beardedgit.smugmug.com/Holidays/HM (scanned slides from the pre-digital age!)
    I love the appearance of your galleries!
    How did you arrange this display which only shows captions when mouse is over image?
    I should love to emulate this on my site when courageous enough to unveil.
    (What a splendid honeymoon trip!)
    James.
    http://www.lyall-photos.net/
  • ablichterablichter Registered Users Posts: 294 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    James Lyall wrote: »
    I love the appearance of your galleries!
    How did you arrange this display which only shows captions when mouse is over image?
    I should love to emulate this on my site when courageous enough to unveil.
    (What a splendid honeymoon trip!)
    Seems BG is away for a while.
    Gallery settings -> Display -> Info Hoover -> Show.
  • James LyallJames Lyall Registered Users Posts: 202 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    ablichter wrote: »
    Seems BG is away for a while.
    Gallery settings -> Display -> Info Hoover -> Show.

    How very kind of you to respond! Thank you.

    Maybe I am being stupid, but I cannot find these settings. I am referring to new SM (I have yet to unveil).
    My path is: Customize > Gallery Settings > which brings up a new window, the left panel shows 'Appearance' but nothing else relevant.
    I cannot find 'Display'

    Could you please guide me further?
    James.
    http://www.lyall-photos.net/
  • AllenAllen Registered Users Posts: 10,013 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    James Lyall wrote: »
    How very kind of you to respond! Thank you.

    Maybe I am being stupid, but I cannot find these settings. I am referring to new SM (I have yet to unveil).
    My path is: Customize > Gallery Settings > which brings up a new window, the left panel shows 'Appearance' but nothing else relevant.
    I cannot find 'Display'

    Could you please guide me further?
    Look at the actual folder out in the page. Click the wrench.
    Al - Just a volunteer here having fun
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  • ablichterablichter Registered Users Posts: 294 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    James Lyall wrote: »
    How very kind of you to respond! Thank you.

    Maybe I am being stupid, but I cannot find these settings. I am referring to new SM (I have yet to unveil).
    My path is: Customize > Gallery Settings > which brings up a new window, the left panel shows 'Appearance' but nothing else relevant.
    I cannot find 'Display'

    Could you please guide me further?
    Ah yes. It might depend on the design you are using or the gallery style.
    You need to choose a design on which "collage landscape" or "collage portrait" is default (like nyx) or set a single gallery to "collage landscape", if possible.
    What is the design you are using?
  • James LyallJames Lyall Registered Users Posts: 202 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    Allen wrote: »
    Look at the actual folder out in the page. Click the wrench.
    Allen, you always seem to come to my rescue!
    I'm not clear what you mean by 'the actual folder out in the page'.
    Presumably, my path should be Customize > Gallery Settings > ... but here I'm lost.
    I have tried via Organize, which also accesses Gallery Setting just like the Customize path.
    I am sorry to be acting like a ninny; can you possibly guide me a little further?
    Many thanks, as ever.
    James.
    http://www.lyall-photos.net/
  • James LyallJames Lyall Registered Users Posts: 202 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    ablichter wrote: »
    Ah yes. It might depend on the design you are using or the gallery style.
    You need to choose a design on which "collage landscape" or "collage portrait" is default (like nyx) or set a single gallery to "collage landscape", if possible.
    What is the design you are using?
    Eureka! That would appear to be the key, I am using basic old SmugMug theme with standard gallery style, which would explain my loss of bearings.
    Thank you very much: most interesting, we live and learn. But, how this move to new SM tests one's patience!
    Best wishes,
    James.
    http://www.lyall-photos.net/
  • ablichterablichter Registered Users Posts: 294 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    James Lyall wrote: »
    Eureka! That would appear to be the key, I am using basic old SmugMug theme with standard gallery style, which would explain my loss of bearings.
    Thank you very much: most interesting, we live and learn. But, how this move to new SM tests one's patience!
    Best wishes,
    Hey! Why sticking to the old smugmug design? You can try any new design provided, configuring and save them to your like and and later decide which one to use. Or switching between them once in a while.
    Take it easy. ;)
  • James LyallJames Lyall Registered Users Posts: 202 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    ablichter wrote: »
    Hey! Why sticking to the old smugmug design? You can try any new design provided, configuring and save them to your like and and later decide which one to use. Or switching between them once in a while.
    Take it easy. ;)
    Jörg, you are quite right sir!
    I shall stop being a 'stick-in-the-mud' and be bold and try out the new designs.
    Thank you for the nudge!
    James.
    http://www.lyall-photos.net/
  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    James Lyall wrote: »
    I love the appearance of your galleries!
    How did you arrange this display which only shows captions when mouse is over image?
    I should love to emulate this on my site when courageous enough to unveil.
    (What a splendid honeymoon trip!)
    BG returns!

    Thanks for the kind words thumb.gif

    As for the display, well, I'm lost. I've changed things so many times that I don't know where I am...

    I started with a Basic Account, and had the "info settings" set to "bottom bar" and "captions display on hover/mouseover" or whatever it was.
    Then I got upgraded to Power, and things went odd for a while...
    When it came back I had new options. I chose the SmugMug Layout with SmugMug Style Galleries. Then I changed the galleries to Collage Landscape, retaining the SmugMug layout, and that's what you see. I don't recall setting any "hover/mouseover" option for Collage Landscape, my feeling is that the setting is either: a) inherited from when I was a Basic user; b) a default; or c) hiding down the back of the sofa.

    I'm very happy with the way it looks, and moderately happy with the way it works, but I dare not make edits that I might not be able to "back out".

    So, I'd like to be able to tell you how I did it, but I don't have a clue! headscratch.gifscratchheadscratch.gif
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  • ablichterablichter Registered Users Posts: 294 Major grins
    edited September 2, 2013
    James Lyall wrote: »
    Jörg, you are quite right sir!
    I shall stop being a 'stick-in-the-mud' and be bold and try out the new designs.
    Thank you for the nudge!
    Welcome! Good luck and have fun.
  • James LyallJames Lyall Registered Users Posts: 202 Major grins
    edited September 3, 2013
    beardedgit wrote: »
    BG returns!

    Thank you for your most reassuring 'time-line' account. For me, it has a very familiar ring!
    You have a splendid site, well done.
    James.
    http://www.lyall-photos.net/
  • beardedgitbeardedgit Registered Users Posts: 854 Major grins
    edited September 4, 2013
    James Lyall wrote: »
    Thank you for your most reassuring 'time-line' account. For me, it has a very familiar ring!
    You have a splendid site, well done.

    Something that I missed - I added some CSS to my Collage Landscape galleries to make the captions easier on my aging eyes...
    .sm-gallery-roworganic .sm-tile-info{text-align:center;font-size:120%;color:#fff!important}

    I just had a good look through your site. Impressive stuff! Norway, Iceland, Butterflies, Red Squirrels, Lake District... it's almost as if you're the brother that I never had :D
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