Issue with search bar / keywords; not all photos reseponding.

TravWilliams

Hey everyone! I'm stuck on an issue with keywords and searches:

I regularly shoot big events, use keywords to sort things, and send my client a series of links to those searches. In this case, I have uploaded a gallery of over 500 images, but only a select few photos show up in the searches. The gallery is public, allows searching, etc.

As far as I can tell, all gallery settings are normal, and the keywords ARE in the photo's metadata on Smugmug.

Everything was uploaded via Lightroom, as I usually do it, with keywords included.

Any ideas?

Example; here is a pre-searched link, showing 42 photos (should show over 100 with that search): http://www.brokenbanjo.net/search/?c=everything&n=travwilliams&scope=node&scopeValue=0&q=OSA#q=Bus+Tour%2C+organic+seed+growers+conference

And here is the full gallery: http://www.brokenbanjo.net/Client-Galleries/Organic-Seed-Alliance/OSGC14/

Thanks all!

ChancyRat

Is a subset of the result, video files? I think currently there is a bug with keywords not working with videos.

TravWilliams

ChancyRat, there aren't any video files in the batch, just photos.

ChancyRat

TravWilliams wrote: »

ChancyRat, there aren't any video files in the batch, just photos.

Okay... there were a lot of problems with keywords, and SM has been very busy re-writing code for them. Issues to do with multi-word keywords, whether you used double quotes, commas, or semis to separate them, and at one point if a multiword keyword was last in the group.

If you go into the captions/keywords area to review your keywords, are they all there the way you meant them to be?

TravWilliams

It looks like they are as I meant them to be yes; the only difference is that I had them comma-separated, and they were converted by smugmug to semicolons.

Again, I don't think anything is different in my process than usual, so it's very frustrating. Thanks for your help!

Allen

That gallery is in a style that you can't see the keywords on photos.

Checked your /keyword page and see some keywords with a '
db's pong and pool

KW's with a ' will not be found with a ' in them. Search words though finds them.
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=239449

ChancyRat

Is there a semicolon after the last keyword of each image's keywords?

ChancyRat

Allen, do you mean by this, "That gallery is in a style that you can't see the keywords on photos", that those images would not come up in a keyword search either?

TravWilliams

Allen, all of my galleries are in that style and haven't had any issues. What style would you recommend? As for the apostrophe, thanks for the tip; none of the current photos have one in their keywords.

Here's an example: by searching something like "seed swap, OSA" (two keywords associated with this image), this should appear, amongst others: http://www.brokenbanjo.net/Client-Galleries/Organic-Seed-Alliance/OSGC14/i-cWqnGn6/A

As you can see, those keywords are in the metadata. The weird thing is, 42 photos DO show up in this gallery (try searching for "2014, OSA"), but the entire gallery was uploaded at once, the same way.

TravWilliams

Update: It looks like the variable was simply time...it took Smugmug a few hours to register all of my keywords. While they DID appear in my photo metadata immediately upon upload, they did not appear in my searches. Four hours later, when I returned to the gallery to work the issue out, all keywords appear to now be registering in my searches.

So, the take away seems to be, wait a little while!

Thanks, all.

ChancyRat

There was just a new update from SM on keywords also you may want to review, fyi:
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=244751

mbonocore

You are correct, for keywords to be included in searches, they need to be fully indexed, which can take time. Thanks!

Georgespyros

The thing is, that last time i tried, indexing keywords would take 5-10-20minutes.
Now it needed over 10hours for keywords to be indexed, which to be honest is disastrus for me.

Has something changed recently?
Is it one time thing? Will it be taking so long from now on?
I need to know, so next time i take my measures. (i.e. not start advertising it before i am sure all is online etc)

yaypie

Georgespyros wrote: »

The thing is, that last time i tried, indexing keywords would take 5-10-20minutes.
Now it needed over 10hours for keywords to be indexed, which to be honest is disastrus for me.

Has something changed recently?
Is it one time thing? Will it be taking so long from now on?
I need to know, so next time i take my measures. (i.e. not start advertising it before i am sure all is online etc)

Keyword indexing time varies. Usually it's pretty quick, but when the indexing queues get backed up it can take longer. It's sort of like traffic on a highway; if lots of people make lots of changes at once, there can be a bit of a traffic jam.

Recently we've been doing some work behind the scenes that has caused a lot of changes to get queued up, which may explain the delays you were seeing. This shouldn't happen often though, so I wouldn't worry too much.