Any way to know SM's priority list?

tomoscotttomoscott Registered Users Posts: 92 Big grins
edited March 11, 2014 in SmugMug Support
I was going to post this on the footer thread after reading Baldy's posts, but I would just as soon see that one die. Also, this question doesn't really relate to that anyway.

I'm wondering if there's any way for SM to communicate with us their general priority list, and very general time frames. I'm not talking super-specific dates or detailed explanations -- just something from a 10,000 foot level.

For example, one of my most desired features is a fully integrated blog. I know that's one of the most requested features as well. But I'm wondering where this fits on SM's priority list. Is this something that SM wants to do this year? Next Year? Or is it so low on the list that it'll be at least a couple or more years from now?

I'm not asking for a list that DGriner's can vote on. After all, SM has to make the decision where and when to allocate its resources, and none of us have enough knowledge to say much about that. I'm also not asking for promises, either. But it would be nice to know the general direction.

I realize that from SM's point of view, this is probably a very difficult thing to implement, both for internal and competitive reasons. But I thought I'd ask, just in case something can be done.

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  • AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited February 25, 2014
    Do you have a blog now? It's super easy to just make your blog look like your SM site. Wordpress or Blogger.
  • tomoscotttomoscott Registered Users Posts: 92 Big grins
    edited February 25, 2014
    Andy wrote: »
    Do you have a blog now? It's super easy to just make your blog look like your SM site. Wordpress or Blogger.

    Andy - yes, I do have a blog now - http://tomoscott.com/Blog -- but I would like something that's fully integrated with SM, under my domain name, not a separate site.

    The real purpose of my post was not the plea for blogging per se; it was more to get a sense of what SM's priorities are.
  • BaldyBaldy Registered Users, Super Moderators Posts: 2,853 moderator
    edited February 25, 2014
    Hi Tom,

    No harm in asking and I certainly understand the curiosity. We do get asked about blogs and quite a few other things relating to commerce, commenting, security, etc.

    I wish I could give you a picture of the roadmap as we used to try and do, but we learned from hard experience why very few (no?) good tech companies do it much anymore. They usually just say they don't comment on future products.

    We wish we weren't like that but business reality set in and we have to. I wish I had a better answer for you.

    All the best,
    Baldy
  • tomoscotttomoscott Registered Users Posts: 92 Big grins
    edited February 26, 2014
    Baldy wrote: »
    Hi Tom,

    No harm in asking and I certainly understand the curiosity. We do get asked about blogs and quite a few other things relating to commerce, commenting, security, etc.

    I wish I could give you a picture of the roadmap as we used to try and do, but we learned from hard experience why very few (no?) good tech companies do it much anymore. They usually just say they don't comment on future products.

    We wish we weren't like that but business reality set in and we have to. I wish I had a better answer for you.

    All the best,
    Baldy

    I understand, I really do, and I thank you for answering this request. I'm in the apparel industry, and we can't talk about our future plans either. I am heartened by the fact that SM execs read DGrin and don't just leave things up to "minders".

    I certainly hope the voting on requested features to some extent guides your decisions.

    I have tried Shopify, 500px, and Fine Art America, and so far, SmugMug has the best match of features and value for me. I do wish you had the built in blog of Shopify and the sales outreach efforts of FAA, but those places have other deficiencies that are far more grave. Shopify just isn't made for photographers, though I do miss their integrated blog. FAA has a nice outreach program to interior designers, but the image quality is absolutely horrid, and their "premium website" is nothing much to brag about.

    So for now, SmugMug is clearly the best for me.

    I do think you need to find a way to "brag" a bit more to your customers. In the course of the footer wars, I found out about 20 or so improvements made to SmugMug. You have all our email addresses. I suspect the vast majority of your customers don't pay attention to DGrin, and they need to be constantly reminded about what a good decision they made going with SmugMug.

    As I'm sure you're aware, in the absence of information, people assume the worst, not the best.

    OK, sorry for rambling on, and thanks again for considering this request.
  • mbonocorembonocore Registered Users Posts: 2,299 Major grins
    edited February 26, 2014
    Any way to know SM's priority list?
    Hi Tom,

    We do include many of our product release notes on our blog at http://news.smugmug.com/. You can subscribe to get updates everytime a new post is made.

    I also have a product news forum here on DGrin that I post the new features too.

    Hope this helps!
  • AceCo55AceCo55 Registered Users Posts: 950 Major grins
    edited February 26, 2014
    mbonocore wrote: »
    We do include many of our product release notes on our blog at www.news.smugmug.com. You can subscribe to get updates everytime a new post is made. Hope this helps!

    Hmmm - I'm getting a 404 for that link.
    But this works!!! http://news.smugmug.com/

    (Solved the problem halfway through panicking about getting 404!!)
    My opinion does not necessarily make it true. What you do with my opinion is entirely up to you.
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  • tomoscotttomoscott Registered Users Posts: 92 Big grins
    edited February 26, 2014
    mbonocore wrote: »
    Hi Tom,

    We do include many of our product release notes on our blog at www.news.smugmug.com. You can subscribe to get updates everytime a new post is made.

    I also have a product news forum here on DGrin that I post the new features too.

    Hope this helps!

    Thanks, yes I was aware of that blog, and I've started reading it regularly. What I was referring to in my last post was more of a "push" than a "pull" -- something like an email to all your customers along the lines of "here's what we've done for you this month." These sorts of communications help everyone keep the big picture in mind.

    I'm relatively new to SM, as you know, so maybe you do something like that already. If not, you might think about it. A lot of the online companies I deal with do that, and if someone doesn't want that, they can always unsubscribe.
  • FergusonFerguson Registered Users Posts: 1,345 Major grins
    edited February 26, 2014
    tomoscott wrote: »
    Thanks, yes I was aware of that blog, and I've started reading it regularly. What I was referring to in my last post was more of a "push" than a "pull" -- something like an email to all your customers along the lines of "here's what we've done for you this month." These sorts of communications help everyone keep the big picture in mind.

    One thing I like about Smugmug is the relatively low amount of unsolicited email I get from them. I wouldn't say I would hate it, but each new push message is one more interruption, one more thing to search for "is there something in here I need to take action on".

    So while not completely disagreeing with you (as I do want more information from Smugmug), I will compliment them over many years on staying discrete.

    Unlike some who I could name, in the photo business that once you buy something inundate you, despite requests to stop, with email.

    But I would LOVE a good release note site I could go to, and see ALL the changes. They do it for the Lightroom Plugin (ok, it looks like "all"), but they make tons of other changes that never make their "news" site, and we discover the hard way, or read about here.
  • LPCLPC Registered Users Posts: 481 Major grins
    edited February 26, 2014
    I would hate to have email spam from Smugmug. I can already find out about any recent changes, give or take a few by quickly looking at some of these forums but a 'to-do' list is never a good idea for a company providing a service (I don't think of SM as a tech company at all - more a simple service provider) as you open yourself up to all kinds of problems when 90% of them are never realized. And to be honest I doubt they really have any specific achievable goals as such, not in terms of what they are aiming to provide for the user anyway. A centralized change log would be useful sometimes but I certainly don't want to be emailed about it.
  • BaldyBaldy Registered Users, Super Moderators Posts: 2,853 moderator
    edited February 26, 2014
    AceCo55 wrote: »
    Hmmm - I'm getting a 404 for that link.
    But this works!!! http://news.smugmug.com/

    (Solved the problem halfway through panicking about getting 404!!)
    Whoops, thanks. I just fixed his link.
  • AllenAllen Registered Users Posts: 10,013 Major grins
    edited February 26, 2014
    A big problem is any hint of what's in the works, is that there are a bunch of idiots that go out and patent/copywrite every idea.
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  • BaldyBaldy Registered Users, Super Moderators Posts: 2,853 moderator
    edited February 26, 2014
    tomoscott wrote: »
    I have tried Shopify, 500px, and Fine Art America, and so far, SmugMug has the best match of features and value for me. I do wish you had the built in blog of Shopify and the sales outreach efforts of FAA, but those places have other deficiencies that are far more grave. Shopify just isn't made for photographers, though I do miss their integrated blog. FAA has a nice outreach program to interior designers, but the image quality is absolutely horrid, and their "premium website" is nothing much to brag about.
    Thanks, Tom. Good info. We have a lot of respect for Shopify and know some of their people pretty well. I was just on their forums seeing how they handle really hot posts to see if we could learn something. They have some brutal threads about their shopping cart, as do we, and both of us have pretty big efforts to improve them. Much harder problem than any of us would ever think...

    Btw, love your western panos, especially this one:

    http://www.tomoscott.com/Galleries/Western-Panoramas/i-NcZ3Pvk/A

    We have a monthly email newsletter, one for seller accounts, and one for everyone else. We have to be careful with them because if it gets marked as spam it affects deliverability of other emails coming from us.

    Here is what January's looked like:

    http://smugmug.createsend1.com/t/ViewEmail/r/4983BFCF4152E3F42540EF23F30FEDED
  • BaldyBaldy Registered Users, Super Moderators Posts: 2,853 moderator
    edited February 26, 2014
    Allen wrote: »
    A big problem is any hint of what's in the works, is that there are a bunch of idiots that go out and patent/copywrite every idea.
    Yeah, welcome to our latest lawsuit:

    http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/11/apples-icloud-iphoto-photo-stream-targeted-in-new-lawsuit.html

    Little SmugMug is in it with Apple, Google, Amazon, Shutterfly, facebook, twitter.... Huge suit.
  • tomoscotttomoscott Registered Users Posts: 92 Big grins
    edited February 27, 2014
    Baldy wrote: »
    Yeah, welcome to our latest lawsuit:

    http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/11/apples-icloud-iphoto-photo-stream-targeted-in-new-lawsuit.html

    Little SmugMug is in it with Apple, Google, Amazon, Shutterfly, facebook, twitter.... Huge suit.

    Unbelievable. It's a wonder there isn't a patent on picking your nose.
  • AlamethAlameth Registered Users Posts: 94 Big grins
    edited March 11, 2014
    Ferguson wrote: »
    One thing I like about Smugmug is the relatively low amount of unsolicited email I get from them.... So while not completely disagreeing with you (as I do want more information from Smugmug), I will compliment them over many years on staying discrete.

    Unlike some who I could name, in the photo business that once you buy something inundate you, despite requests to stop, with email.

    A hearty AMEN! to the lack of irrelevant Emails from SmugMug. While evaluating what to do with my old SmugMug site, I created accounts at many photo services, and was appalled by the level of unsolicited Email I received. Seriously, people. it's called a "trial" account for a reason; if the service is "awesome," I ought to be able to determine that myself.

    More complete communication about changes would be nice, though. That's dropped off terribly since the new SmugMug was rolled out. I still get a strong sense of the staff being overwhelmed.
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