Political not correct - more Stars&Stripes Girl

D3SshooterD3Sshooter Registered Users Posts: 1,188 Major grins
edited August 30, 2014 in People
Someone asked me if I had more pictures of the shoot " Stars & Stripes ", and yes I do. So I will post an additional one. It's is the wrong flag, and that is why I did not post it . I used to live in Yorktown and I know what this flag might mean to some…. so please ignore the negativism that this could cause.
If I am not mistaken that is the "Rebels" flag, representing the Southern States during the civil war opposing the new civil rights enforced by the Northern states .
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  • SamSam Registered Users Posts: 7,419 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2014
    Technically I see some masking issues. While the photography is superb the message is so mixed I have no idea what it is. For me it's not about political incorrectness, but about the politically confusing mixture of elements. :D

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  • kdotaylorkdotaylor Registered Users Posts: 1,280 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2014
    Not sure about the flag...but the photo itself is wonderful. Clarity and lighting are perfect.
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  • divamumdivamum Registered Users Posts: 9,021 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2014
    Yeah, I think something gets lost in translation on this one - while you have the visuals down pat, I think there's a lot of subtexts you're creating that don't necessarily exist (or ones that do exist which you missed). Don't get me wrong - "outsiders" often have insight that people within a culture just can't see, but speaking as a Euro-American myself... I think this one misses the emotional/political mark on both sides of the pond. The technicals are lovely - it's a great photo, it just doesn't do what I think you want it to do!
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  • jmphotocraftjmphotocraft Registered Users Posts: 2,987 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2014
    Uhh, yeah, the Confederate flag here is taking on similar status as the Nazi swastika. And like what Diva said, it would be one thing if your photo was portraying some kind of conflict between the two cultures, but it's not. The model appears to be blissfully ignorant of the meaning of that flag.
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  • D3SshooterD3Sshooter Registered Users Posts: 1,188 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2014
    jmphotocraft wrote: »
    Uhh, yeah, the Confederate flag here is taking on similar status as the Nazi swastika. And like what Diva said, it would be one thing if your photo was portraying some kind of conflict between the two cultures, but it's not. The model appears to be blissfully ignorant of the meaning of that flag.

    Indeed jmphotocraft, we are stupid on those matters…. after all we live in Europe…. I did not know that the rebels flag is on a similar level as the Nazi swastika….. In that case it is really a wrong picture. I did not know that it was that bad……. apologies…
    But why can you buy this in most southern stores ? The Nazi swastika is not for sale at any shop in Europe unless you do buy underground.

    Is the Rebels flag officially a forbidden symbol ? The swastika is in Europe, the Rebels flag not.

    But then again it is just a picture….
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  • Bryce WilsonBryce Wilson Registered Users Posts: 1,586 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2014
    D3Sshooter wrote: »

    Is the Rebels flag officially a forbidden symbol ?

    It's not. You can purchase them many places. I do believe the state of California has banned them though. Some people do find them offensive because of the racist reason some folks choose to display it. Then again some folks got upset because the Washington football team is called the Redskins. People who choose to be offended can usually find a reason to be so
    D3Sshooter wrote: »
    But then again it is just a picture….

    And indeed you aptly named it "political not correct". Other than some technical issues, I think it shows an example of the dichotomy between the call for freedom and the bondage that took place in U.S. history.
  • jmphotocraftjmphotocraft Registered Users Posts: 2,987 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2014
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended in the slightest, I don't have a dog in that fight. I just thought you might like a heads-up. The status of that flag symbolizing racism is an emerging theme here. Only a few years ago it was being flown on some state capitol buildings in the southeast, and then they were removed after protests. I think flying a Confederate flag anywhere outside of the southeastern US would be viewed by most educated people as an antagonizing if not offensive act.

    My understanding is that attitudes are very different in the deep south, and that there is a significant population there who believe "the south shall rise again". Not that they would take over, but separate from the union.

    In any case, the two flags in your photo are enemy flags, so they don't really go with the feel of the image, imo.
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  • jonh68jonh68 Registered Users Posts: 2,711 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2014
    The flag doesn't rise to the level of the swastika, but for many politically correct circles it does.

    I live in the South so many people take waving the flag as a call to return to slavery days which it is not. Some wave the flag as a Southern Heritage thing that has noting to do with slavery but culture. If people want to get offended they can. I'm not a flag waiver, but I don't much like the idea of one group telling another group what they can and can't wave or show.

    This image has some potential but I would guess it would help on your part to understand both sides to the confederate flag to focus the meaning behind the picture.
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  • D3SshooterD3Sshooter Registered Users Posts: 1,188 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2014
    Thanks everybody for educating me.... This picture almost caused a political debate. What a picture can do ...
    As an outsider, I have really no say in these matters.

    What if I was to say , that this picture is about forgiving the past and reunited with passion and patriotism. After all the blue coats won and have forgiven the south and made the USA a great state. One I do respect.

    I remember seeing that flag on the city hall of South Carlina on one of my trips.....
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  • kdogkdog Administrators Posts: 11,681 moderator
    edited August 26, 2014
    Like Sam said, there are masking issues. There's a pink halo clear around the girl and much of the flag. This is surprising as your work is usually much better than this, D3.
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  • D3SshooterD3Sshooter Registered Users Posts: 1,188 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2014
    kdog wrote: »
    Like Sam said, there are masking issues. There's a pink halo clear around the girl and much of the flag. This is surprising as your work is usually much better than this, D3.

    TXS KDOG, ne_nau.gif I see it as well….. so lets say a lazy day……and sloppy….
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  • DreadnoteDreadnote Registered Users Posts: 634 Major grins
    edited August 30, 2014
    Just for clarity on the issue, though many find it an offensive symbol, it is not banned or illegal anywhere in the United States. (Some state properties disallow the sale of confederate paraphernalia on the premises however). In fact the state flag of Mississippi still incorporates the "confederate battle flag", and the state of Georgia flies a flag nearly identical to that flown by the "Confederate States of America" - the "Stars and Bars". My neighbor flies the rebel flag in his front yard right here in the good ole Democratic Peoples Republic of Kalifornistan. Go figure. ne_nau.gif

    Of course it was only last February that Mississippi finally agreed to abolish slavery, 147 years after everyone else. So I suppose it's to be expected.
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